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::::::I can see your point, but the COI still stands as a major obstacle at this. This is widely a target of subjectivism. It depends on how many moves a Pokémon may be able to learn in order to become an HM slave, and which ones are used for such, that might be confusing in the end. Take me for example, I don't see any Pokémon as an HM slave unless they are able to learn ALL HM moves (including region-exclusive ones, such as Dive). Some people would add certain Pokémon because "it's what I use" and then add their favorite Pokémon having a themed series of HMs, such as water-themed HM moves (Surf, Waterfall, Dive), and as such they are an HM slave. That's the one and only thing that prevents me from adding a list, which is subjectivism, it's one of an encyclopedia's worst enemies (I hope I never find a, say... right-winged biased encyclopedia --Actually, there is, Conservapedia--, or for example an encyclopedia that ignores the Armenian genocide), but you're welcome to try and get a consensus, though I can't really assure you that the list will be made anyway. [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 17:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | ::::::I can see your point, but the COI still stands as a major obstacle at this. This is widely a target of subjectivism. It depends on how many moves a Pokémon may be able to learn in order to become an HM slave, and which ones are used for such, that might be confusing in the end. Take me for example, I don't see any Pokémon as an HM slave unless they are able to learn ALL HM moves (including region-exclusive ones, such as Dive). Some people would add certain Pokémon because "it's what I use" and then add their favorite Pokémon having a themed series of HMs, such as water-themed HM moves (Surf, Waterfall, Dive), and as such they are an HM slave. That's the one and only thing that prevents me from adding a list, which is subjectivism, it's one of an encyclopedia's worst enemies (I hope I never find a, say... right-winged biased encyclopedia --Actually, there is, Conservapedia--, or for example an encyclopedia that ignores the Armenian genocide), but you're welcome to try and get a consensus, though I can't really assure you that the list will be made anyway. [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 17:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC) | ||
:::::::See, that's why I specifically didn't title the section "List of HM Slaves". If the list purports to be a list of pokemon that are "good" as HM Slaves, then it's definitely subjective. But if the list is specifically of "pokemon learning X or more HMs", then it's rather clear what it describes. | :::::::See, that's why I specifically didn't title the section "List of HM Slaves". If the list purports to be a list of pokemon that are "good" as HM Slaves, then it's definitely subjective. But if the list is specifically of "pokemon learning X or more HMs", then it's rather clear what it describes. | ||
:::::::What if, instead, it was a list of pokemon by the number of HMs that they can learn? There are quite a few lists on bulbapedia of pokemon by height, weight, type, ability, etc, etc, etc. Basically, it would have a list for each game set (RSE, DPPt, HGSS, etc), with a column for "total number of HMs" and then columns for each HM. Since every pokemon would be on the list, and it would contain nothing but facts, it wouldn't be at all subjective. It could also provide information on where the pokemon is first obtainable (if at all) within that game set, thus making it a useful resource for people playing the game. It would be on a separate page, though, and just linked to from this page, since it's not a list of HM Slaves at all. [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 10:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC) | :::::::What if, instead, it was a list of pokemon by the number of HMs that they can learn? There are quite a few lists on bulbapedia of pokemon by height, weight, type, ability, etc, etc, etc. Basically, it would have a list for each game set (RSE, DPPt, HGSS, etc), with a column for "total number of HMs" and then columns for each HM. Since every pokemon would be on the list, and it would contain nothing but facts, it wouldn't be at all subjective. It could also provide information on where the pokemon is first obtainable (if at all) within that game set, thus making it a useful resource for people playing the game. It would be on a separate page, though, and just linked to from this page, since it's not a list of HM Slaves at all. (I'll be happy to do all the legwork in making the full lists, if necessary) [[User:Aielyn|Aielyn]] 10:31, 26 January 2012 (UTC) | ||