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:::I guess not, I could not find evidence. But still... althugh I don’t think Pokémon at Pal Park get there on their own. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | :::I guess not, I could not find evidence. But still... althugh I don’t think Pokémon at Pal Park get there on their own. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::The red Gyarados report at the beginning of DPP had a lake with a picture of Mount Coronet in the background. Wouldn't that mean that the Red Gyarados was found in Sinnoh? Plus, the Red Gyarados could just be a shiny Gyarados. It's not necessarily the one that you fought in GSC. The Time Machine in GSC was just a way so you could import your RBY pokemon into GSC. There was no point in making Time Machines in later games, because every pokemon was programmed into each game. I'm sure in HGSS you will be able to import any pokemon you want from FRLG. They probably ditched the whole Time Machine idea because it wasn't necessary. The Egg report is the only '''solid''' piece of evidence that Gen II and Gen IV take place at the same time, at that wasn't confirmed yet. I just don't think it's fair to assume the chronological order of the games when the only evidence we have is minor details.--[[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 01:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC) | ::The red Gyarados report at the beginning of DPP had a lake with a picture of Mount Coronet in the background. Wouldn't that mean that the Red Gyarados was found in Sinnoh? Plus, the Red Gyarados could just be a shiny Gyarados. It's not necessarily the one that you fought in GSC. The Time Machine in GSC was just a way so you could import your RBY pokemon into GSC. There was no point in making Time Machines in later games, because every pokemon was programmed into each game. I'm sure in HGSS you will be able to import any pokemon you want from FRLG. They probably ditched the whole Time Machine idea because it wasn't necessary. The Egg report is the only '''solid''' piece of evidence that Gen II and Gen IV take place at the same time, at that wasn't confirmed yet. I just don't think it's fair to assume the chronological order of the games when the only evidence we have is minor details.--[[User:Edge578|Edge578]] 01:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:::::I was quite intrigued by the whole proposition of Gen I/III and Gen II/IV happening at the same time, but I think we should at least provide evidence and references IN THE ARTICLES THEMSELVES that support all these these claims. While the Red Gyrados and Professor Elm egg discovery does indeed imply the connection between II/IV, it certainly isn't watertight - how do we explain the presence of eggs in Ruby and Sapphire? [[User:Delta-v|Delta-v]] | |||
::::The Red Gyarados was NOT found by the expedition on TV. It was just a rumor. We will find out about the time machinesoon enough. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ::::The Red Gyarados was NOT found by the expedition on TV. It was just a rumor. We will find out about the time machinesoon enough. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
Don't go taking things out of the article just yet. The main reason for the RSEFRLG timeline being one and the same is the inter-region trading with the remake games. With the announcement of HGSS, things are looking in the same direction for Generation IV. On top of the hints (not definite proof, but hints), all the evidence points to the games having the same, or a similar, timeframe. —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 01:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC) | Don't go taking things out of the article just yet. The main reason for the RSEFRLG timeline being one and the same is the inter-region trading with the remake games. With the announcement of HGSS, things are looking in the same direction for Generation IV. On top of the hints (not definite proof, but hints), all the evidence points to the games having the same, or a similar, timeframe. —'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 01:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
:I'd consider the fact that there's a danged NEWS BULLETIN at the start of DP reflecting the fact that the Red Gyarados is at the very least a ''recent'' event being the ultimate proof. You don't see news companies reporting on stuff six years later, do you? Gen I and III I'll give you a "maybe" on, even though due to FRLG it proves at least ''part'' is contemporaneous, but Gen IV is the one most definitely contemporary to Gen II. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 09:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC) | :I'd consider the fact that there's a danged NEWS BULLETIN at the start of DP reflecting the fact that the Red Gyarados is at the very least a ''recent'' event being the ultimate proof. You don't see news companies reporting on stuff six years later, do you? Gen I and III I'll give you a "maybe" on, even though due to FRLG it proves at least ''part'' is contemporaneous, but Gen IV is the one most definitely contemporary to Gen II. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#DAA520">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">chidna</span>]]''' 09:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
::Well they didn’t actually find the thing, and there is no reason to assume this was AFTER Gold/Kris battled it at the Lake of Rage, since characters in ''G''/''S''/''C'' seemed to know about it before that. I would say Jasmine showing up is the best indicator of contemporaneity({{tt|?|is that a word?}}), since she uses her Steelix in contests, and she used to be a Rock-type trainer. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ::Well they didn’t actually find the thing, and there is no reason to assume this was AFTER Gold/Kris battled it at the Lake of Rage, since characters in ''G''/''S''/''C'' seemed to know about it before that. I would say Jasmine showing up is the best indicator of contemporaneity({{tt|?|is that a word?}}), since she uses her Steelix in contests, and she used to be a Rock-type trainer. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC) | ||