User talk:TehPerson

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! --Force Fire 06:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Samurott

Wheres your sorce, Serebii dose not count as a sorce? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 17:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Move variations

I don't know if you intend to pick up editing these again, but please be aware that moves are only considered variations if they are within 5 PP of each other. Make sure any moves you're adding meet that criteria. Even if you disagree that that should be a criteria, it is something you would need to bring up in discussion in order to get changed. Thanks. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:16, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

At this time, please stop working on content regarding move variants. The staff is currently undergoing discussion regarding possible redefinition of the criteria that determines what is and is not a move variant. Thanks, - Kogoro - Talk to me - 18:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Move power

Please stop creating move power navigation templates until you obtain Editorial Board approval. --Abcboy (talk) 06:39, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Okay fine. TehPerson (talk) 06:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox

While it's all right to have a sandbox (heck, I have one myself, please refrain from making a lot of edits to it. Your sandbox is still within userspace and is subject to the userspace policy, which generally stipulates three userspace edits per day provided you contribute at least four edits a day to mainspace. Exceptions can be made for pages being prepared for mainspace (as generally proposing new pages should be done via userspace), but the sandbox area usually does not qualify for exceptions. Use the preview button where possible when making sandbox edits instead of immediately saving, then [immediately changing them again]. Also, note that I have several different projects in the same single Sandbox page by using section headers like in a normal article; this is instead of using several different pages as you have. There's nothing wrong with multiple sandboxes as far as I'm aware, it's just an idea I'm passing along so you have a single place for everything you're working on. =)

These are merely suggestions to help you out, so I hope they are helpful! CycloneGU (talk) 07:19, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

I know I know. I used Show Preview to minimize edits, and tried to limit them to 3, but sometimes you gotta publish it to see how it affects another page. TehPerson (talk) 07:41, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, that's the difficulty with templates in userspace. You have to save it too see what happens. CycloneGU (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Recent block

I saw recently that you were blocked for being "insubordinate" in editing Ability variations, when you had only been told about move variations. Now, if you don't care about that little mess at all (or if perhaps you've already resolved it elsewhere), feel free to skip the rest of this.

Anyway, I kind of took it upon myself (presumptively, perhaps) to alert Kogoro about her mistake so that she might undo it sooner rather than later. I kept after it too, but I am now told that it's not my concern since I wasn't the one blocked. I understand that logic, but I also kind of think it's a bit of a cheat. IMHO it's not too much to ask for a simple acknowledgement of the mistake. (In short—and I know this may sound a little silly—I just want to know that Bulbapedia's not somehow okay with such a mistake.) So, I thought I'd ask you if you'd like to raise that issue on your own behalf? If you just wish to chime in where I've already tried asking, that's here.

If one way or another you just don't care about this, then I'm sorry for wasting your time. =) Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:54, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. While I do agree with you, I feel that doing so would only result in more harm than help. Looking at your conversation, it is clear Kogoro does not wish to discuss the issue, and even more so to admitting a careless mistake. Although I have considered bringing it up, I feel that at best I'll get a passive-aggressive apology with a reprimand attached.

Anyways, thank you for standing up for what's right. Much appreciated! TehPerson (talk) 00:10, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Templates

Next time you create a template, please either create it in your userspace and tag with a {{mainspace}} tag or ask a staff member, preferably an Editorial Board member, if it is needed. I will be moving your MovePower template to your userspace. Thank you for your time, and sorry for any inconveniences. Berrenta (talk) 03:04, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Again, templates must be made in the userspace and then be approved by the Editorial Board before put in the mainspace. glikglak 02:11, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, you're welcome anyways. The new list at least exist in the history for future reference :) TehPerson (talk) 02:20, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --ChE clarinetist (talk) 16:48, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

New pages/notability

You've made a few new pages recently, and I'd like to inform you, as a rule, new pages should be made in the userspace first and then brought to staff's attention for mainspacing. (This is mainly done by using the {{mainspace}} tag, but if you want to ask an appropriate staff member about a page directly, you can also do that.) The two pages you made for Battle Maison info have turned out alright and we've more or less let them slide, but your latest page is a perfect example of why that rule exists and the "risk" when it's ignored.

Regarding Battle Maison Trainer quotes, you should understand that we don't care about any and all quotes here, we only care about major, notable characters, not a bunch of random Trainers. I've moved your page to your userspace for now. Thanks for understanding Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:58, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Major changes

When you're adding something entirely new, like the Maison/etc Pokemon pages you created, it's fine if you want to try to present the information in a new/unique format. However, any major change to an existing format (particularly templates, or any format that touches multiple pages) should always be discussed first. And something like your edit to Template:SubwayPartner was absolutely a major change. Please try to keep this in mind in the future. Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:32, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Apologies for the trouble. Though keeping things in mind... I post a creative change to old articles that most people don't read anymore. Nobody reads them, idea gets buried. But I go ahead and post it, get a slap on the wrist, but the content still stays because everyone knows it doesn't make sense to revert it. Again, sorry for stress, but you have to admit that the old format wasn't intended for entire team rosters. TehPerson (talk) 07:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
If you need a response to something, talk to a staff member.
Please don't assume you're always justified (or always will be). A couple of your pages stayed, sure. The Battle Maison Trainer quotes absolutely did not, though. And, personally, I don't think a straight substitution of the SubwayPartner template was a great solution. (In short, pretty much: that's a very nonstandard format to see on character pages, so (IMO) it doesn't belong there the same way the party format did. I'll try to address it soon-ish.) You're not infallible. And you won't be. That's pretty impossible for most people. (I absolutely count myself among that number, too.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:31, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Conditions/Contest moves

Hi! Tables with lots of coding should be implemented with templates to save space. Please don't add huge, hard-coded tables—especially if you were only doing that because you couldn't easily create a template for it yourself.

Also, FYI there's actually a sort of solution already in the works (it may change to some degree before it's implemented). Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:11, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

This is kind of related, so I'll put it here instead of making a new section...
Can you do me a favor and not update more pages like you did List of Battle Maison Pokémon to add the colors and stuff? At that point, a template absolutely becomes preferable. I've made one already and will see about it getting mainspaced.
If there are any other particularly needful improvements, it might be best to think of them now. (I don't mean that you should implement them, hard-coded, on a whole table, though.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Battle Frontier (Generation III)

Dude, can you make a list with the Pokémon on the Hoenn's Battle Frontier check this list:

http://upcarchive.playker.info/0/upokecenter/content/pokemon-emerald-battle-frontier-in-depth.html

Funny, in Gen VI is same data of the Gen V, in a Pokémon like Venusaur, 1st class, Pokémon, no Banette or Crawdaunt. --HoopsterJohn (talk) 04:05, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

List of Battle Maison Trainers

Out of curiosity, can you tell me how you got the information for the Battle Maison Trainers? I've been poring over the page for a bit, and some of the Trainers seem fairly weird to me. Like Manuel, with those special additions in addition to the type groups (why aren't Flygon/Empoleon/Floatzel part of some group?). And especially Azure and Claus/etc, with Regirock/Lati@s coming from sets 1 and 2 and the rest of the team from set 4, when all the other teams have uniform set possibilities for their whole team. (Perhaps... Are Flygon/Empoleon/Floatzel and Regirock and Lati@s maybe randomly inserted into the last (or some single) slot on the Trainer's team or something? I.e., is it possible for Manuel to have both Flygon and Empoleon on his team, or Flygon and Empoleon and Floatzel?)

Also, what in the world is "Water, Grass and Fire old" for the Tier 2 Super Chefs? Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


Oh yeah, thanks for pointing out the ambiguities. I wasn't sure if there was a better way to represent the Trainer's Pokemon data.

Basically the Pokemon Groups represents all the Pokemon that can possibly be used by a Trainer. All the algorithm does is select n Pokemon from that roster at random, n being the required number of Pokemon for a challenge. The Battle Chatelaines have fixed teams because their rosters only contain n Pokemon - the order therefore can still be different.

Basically, all the roster for an Ace Trainer is that of a generic team plus Lati@s (depending on the Ace Trainer's gender). That's why you sometimes see Lati@s if you battle Ace Trainers. Artist Azure is like that but with Regirock (sets 1 and 2) and a Rock/Steel/Ground roster. Though meeting said Regirock is still pretty rare. I've only encountered the non-Veteran's Regirock once. Also, "old" means "Gen (I-V)". Tier-2 chefs don't use Kalos Pokemon. A correction I keep forgetting to make :\

Not really sure why low-tier Skaters use Flygon/Empoleon/Floatzel. I've personally encountered that as well. All I notice is that they all know Aqua Jet or Quick Attack, so maybe it's a priority thing- since Skaters are into speed.

And to answer why the legendaries only come from set 1 and 2, my best answer is that because the way Sets are treated for Legendaries is not the same as other Pokemon. For most Pokemon, you see their set 1 versions at lower-streak battles and they gradually shift towards set 4. Legendaries all start appearing after battle 40, when Pokemon have already been using Set 4 for a while. Notice that all tier-VI Trainers use Set 4 Pokemon for non-Legendaries, but the sets for Legendaries still vary. I guess it was just an arbitrary decision to have Sets 1 and 2 made available for non-Veterans.

Let me know if you have any ideas on how to better represent the data. TehPerson (talk) 05:00, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

So does this all just come purely from observation/massive "trial and error" at the Battle Maison and Battle Institute? (That's quite a feat, if so.) I'll have to think for a while about what you've said and what is (or should be) on the pages. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:32, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
No, I believe this was datamined from the game by Smogon- like how everyone else gets this information. Pretty much get raw data with a list of Trainers and a list of their Pokemon, and it's up to us to sort what sort of team is what. The guys at Smogon thought it would be a good idea to have the information consolidated here, where it can be viewed neatly. TehPerson (talk) 05:56, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Can you link me where that data was released or whatever? Looking at it fresh, in a more raw or basic format, might help me get some ideas or understand some things better. Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
List of Trainers
List of Pokemon
Most lists aren't actually this nice looking. For the Battle Subway, a list of Trainers' Pokemon would be given by the Pokemon's Subway-specific id, and then cross-referenced from there. The seemingly-arbitrary ID number for the Pokemon actually play a role determining the tier, set, etc, but low-level detail like that I thought could be excluded here. TehPerson (talk) 06:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I like low-level detail. =3 That low-level detail, are you talking about other pages at that site? If so, I think I mostly found them through Google.
I was kind of fearing that's what the data looked like raw... You may be mostly right with the pages for Maison data (and others) you created, but I'm gonna mull over it all for myself some more anyway. ;) Tiddlywinks (talk) 06:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Dude, you're awesome a give me a favor can you make me a list of the Battle Maison trainer in my native language Spanish, i want know the name in the Spanish version, please, if you can. --HoopsterJohn (talk) 20:50, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much dude, you're the best, these name are the same in XY and ORAS unlike in English language have different one between these games. --HoopsterJohn (talk) 21:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

FYI, going from the links you gave above, I caught some errors on the Maison Trainer/Pokemon pages you made. (If I identify a Trainer below, any other Trainers that used the same roster also had the same mistake.)

  • Set2 Porygon2 is not in the Hail group.
  • Delphox/Greninja/Golurk are never in the Psychic/Dark/Ghost groups (respectively).
  • Lucetta is not Set 4 Water+Ice, she's Set 4 Dark+Fairy+Normal.
  • Bight also uses Ground Pokemon.
  • Anastasia only uses Group C/D Psychic types.

I noticed you creating User:TehPerson/List of battle area Trainers (Generation VI)/1, so I thought it would be best to let you know so you could correct any errors you have. I did see that on that page you apparently didn't include Greninja in the Poison/Dark table, though you did include it in the Dark table on List of Battle Maison Trainers, so I don't know if they're more or less randomly introduced errors or what, though. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:05, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for catching those errors! Sometimes my speadsheet bugs up a bit on me :\ TehPerson (talk) 04:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
I've come to realize that categorizing the Pokemon isn't the best way to represent Trainer teams. Might as well just do a table for each. TehPerson (talk) 07:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
I'm just a bit torn about that. Between the two options, I kind of barely favor your new approach.
The original approach requires a lot of user action to figure out what they want to know. Compared to the new approach, the only thing it's especially useful for is if people want to know the whole list to remix the Trainers' rosters for a game hack. The problem with the new approach, though, is that it can be incredibly repetitive. I mean, you've got tables for Groups A/B and C/D, but then also B/C which overlaps half of each of those, and then type groups which overlap again... The complete straightforwardness of it is the narrowest deciding factor for me. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:58, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk page responses

Please try to keep talk page discussions in one place. If someone replies to your talk page, respond there first, not on their talk page. If you feel they're not noticing after a while, then you can post something on their talk page (a link back to your talk page might be best, just so, again, the whole conversation remains in one place), but we can't have two sides of a conversation playing out on two separate talk pages like is developing above... That's just ridiculous. Please try to keep it where it started.

Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:36, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay, mods in different wikis, sonetimes even in the same wiki, use different conventions. Did not know if any standards exist here. TehPerson (talk) 21:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Battle Masion Trainer classes

There are probably a handful of reasons that adding battle area Trainers to the Trainer class pages probably isn't a good idea, but the simplest way to put it is that what you're adding is huge, complicated, and sort of pointless. If you really want to add them, it can be discussed, but in the meantime, please do not keep adding this sort of thing to the TC pages. Thanks. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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