User talk:Maverick Nate/Archives/9

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Notes
Energy Removal (Base Set 92) and Energy Removal 2 (Expedition 140) are the same card. Super Energy Removal (Base Set 79) and Super Energy Removal 2 (Aquapolis 134) are the same card. All the Neo Destiny dex entries are seemingly from Crystal.

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Garchomp and Hydreigon half decks

There isn't any indication that they will be featured as Pokémon-EX. All Pokémon-EX so far have been (basic) Legendary Pokémon. Plus, even if they were, their artwork shows they likely won't be EXs (they don't have CGI artwork which is basically a staple in regular EXs), at least in these half decks. What you wrote was pure speculation. Another thing is, how do you know that Roserade and Foongus will be Grass type and not Psychic types and how do you know that Houndoom will be Fire-type and not Dark-type? It seems to me that, since Drifloon is in the deck, Roserade and Foongus will most likely be Psychic-types too, but since anything isn't confirmed, what should be in the page is that they could be featured with either type. Metalizard 18:24, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

May I ask why you didn't just fix it instead of bitching at me? So I made a mistake. I was rushing through those pages when I made them because I had to get to class. You could have easily fixed it and posted an edit summary on why you removed things. I pay attention to all edits on everything I've ever created. I would have noticed, and in fact, I saw your edits before you posted this talk page message to me. Also, they do have the CGI "break the border" artwork featured on EX's. It is quite possibly that these Pokémon can be EX's, which is why I said "and may feature it as a Pokémon-EX card". There is evidence that supports it, and it was written in a way that represents that it both may and may not be an EX. Furthermore, I don't see you creating pages, so relax, and back down a bit. You're coming off as quite rude. ^Maverick _Nate 18:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

lol, you're the one who's being rude! If I sounded rude, it wasn't the intention. I just came here to warn you about it because if I just had done it without telling you, you would probably undo it all, like it usually happens :\. First, I didn't fix the types, because I wasn't really sure on how to change that (that's why I came here to remind you about it). Second, no, they don't have the CGI art that breaks the border, they clealy have hand-drawn art (you should probably look closer). And there's no evidence they will be EX's like you're saying and I don't think it's quite possible at all because of the reasons I said earlier (at least, not in these half decks; the main set may be a different story). Metalizard 05:33, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

haha, Pokébeach just confirmed they are not EX's, not even the main set ones. I told you they are only making Legendary Pokémon-EX... Metalizard 06:01, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

How ignorant of you. It was the Japanese official site that revealed it. PokéBeach doesn't reveal anything. They just post news. ^Maverick _Nate 16:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Even more ignorant you are by thinking I don't know that it was the official site. I just mentioned Pokébeach because that's where I go to know about TCG News. Seriously, are you so mad just because I was right and you wrong? Or because I ironically corrected you about things that you warned me about in the past? I won't waste my time arguing with you anymore. From now on, everytime I see some detail wrong, or something obvious that should be in a page but isn't, I'll fix it without caring if you agree with it or not. Metalizard 18:31, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Both of you need to take a chill pill and calm down. Enough with the insults. If you can't continue this conversation without attacking each other then it ends with my comment. Werdnae (talk) 03:42, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

TCG card edits

Sorry if it was meant to stay in the trivia section of the page. The 3-5 cards had it noted in the intro, so I thought that was where the other should have gone. Sorry if they were meant to stay in the trivia section. Frozen Fennec 18:18, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I only just started changing them. I didn't get around to fixing cards 3-5. ^Maverick _Nate 18:19, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Again, sorry about doing so. Frozen Fennec 18:21, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Featured content for today.

It's slightly incorrect, as it sounds like if ExtremeSpeed lost its increased priority for Generation III, saying In Generation II and IV. And since it's protected, I can't edit it. Marked +-+-+ 09:04, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Remove a page?

Think you could remove [this userspace page]? Appears to be mostly blank party templates with nothing at all in most of them. Frozen Fennec 21:32, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Brother's Friend Never got an Activation Notice Email

My brother's friend says he signed up with an account a couple weeks ago. I didn't see him create the account. There were very little names. He signed up with the name ShadowLugia and he wanted to come on here to make edits, have a profile, contact some people, even interact with me and he has gotten no email in his inbox. I believe that he's still trying to help us with our situation that I'm not a sock of my sibling and he has a sibling of his own. He wants to explain that after he proves that we're not him. My brother also has a friend named Ruckus Jorgee. If he has tried to register and received no activation notice email, please send one to him too. He is neither IMMORAL or AMORAL because whatever Serebii said to him on his profile about a year ago isn't true. (MichaelXD 19:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC))

TCG Type

Hey Nate, would it be okay if the Elemental types (TCG) page be moved to Type (TCG) so as to reflect the recent change? TCG is more your domain, so I figure I'd ask before going gung-ho. --Spriteit 11:39, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Please

Can you put my Flora, Bakkie, Akkie, Grace(Unova), Edmond, and Domon pages on your Future Pages sections of your mainspace? Chomper4 14:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Another user

Seems this user is just using their talk page as an advertisement. They haven't contributed a thing since joining. Frozen Fennec 23:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Provide a link next time, kthnx? This would have been acceptable. ^Maverick _Nate 23:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Will do. :) Frozen Fennec 23:49, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Mainspaceable

I noticed this was on the template, which kinda surprised me. Also my experiment page, which you called "Things" have been moved here. Finally, I was hoping you could put this page on the template as well, but if it's there already then nevermind.--Force Fire 09:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Double colorless energy image

Why was it reverted?Arkenaw 00:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Because the image names are final and should never be changed. What should have been done is uploading a new version of the old file on the archives, which I have done. ^Maverick _Nate 00:18, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

TCG images

Heya, I'm a new user here at Bulbapedia. Among the first things I attempted to contribute with was uploading DragonBlastAron35.jpg. The summary included a few errors which another user was kind enough to solve, but there are still a few things I'm wondering if you could help me with.

The summary fix was good (judging by how it matches most other TCG summaries), but I'm a little puzzled by how it discarded information I tried to add (description, notes, summary). Isn't such information important after all, despite the upload-checklist?
While the image seems fine, can you check whether there are any errors about it? It'd be troublesome if I start uploading images while unknowingly breaking one or more rules. FrozenMetal 20:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

As a general rule here, we don't really reference or source things too much. (On a side note, I edited out your reference addition to one of the Wailord cards, simply because one can see the information stated is true simply by looking at the links provided in the trivia. We could also start doing our own categories like that: cards with so much HP; cards with certain retreat costs. With everything we already have in place, it would take one simple edit to throw all 7000 cards into those categories.)

Now, back to the concerns you brought up here. It is just something we don't really do here. For card images, we keep the summaries simple and straightforward. Most of the time, cards happen in batches of over 100, and in order to be one of the fastest news sites for them, easy and quick are the best things for us. Not too many people visit the Archives, so extended summaries aren't absolutely necessary, since not enough people would see it for the time investment they would need. Notes aren't too necessary. None of us are really concerned how the image is edited... we pretty much just want them to exist. As for the source: we give credit to those who want it and are on good terms with bulbagarden. Credit is also typically reserved for Bulbanews. We try our best not to have to use things from other leading Pokémon fansites, because we don't want to source them (but we will when we are forced to). When you add a link, you are supporting people going to whatever site you linked. We want people to stay here... especially for TCG. Providing them with a way out makes it so they don't come here. I've personally been trying to add a lot of new TCG features so that people want to stay here. If you are interested, I'll explain what they are to you.

As for rules and things about the images. Simply because it is a recently released Japanese set, we aren't too concerned with replacing the images we already have. I do understand why you uploaded Aron: It appears that the image was already uploaded on the Archives under a different file name that was not being used on the actual wiki page. It has since been fixed, and I have uploaded the image you provided overtop the image that already existed. We'd like to wait for the English release to upload a better, English image of the card. I'm a firm believer in not having to spend time doing something, just to have to do it again in a few months. There are a lot of things to do for the TCG here: time does not need spent having to redo something, if you understand what I mean. We'd also prefer not taking card images from online and scanning the cards ourselves. I am actually working on something with another online site, and have started personally scanning every card in format.

One last thing I noticed. I saw in one of your edits that you used the word "Wailords". This is incorrect. The plural of Wailord is simply Wailord. They are like sheep. The plural of every Pokémon is simply the Pokémon name. If you continue editing, do keep this in mind.

I know I said quite a few things right here. It might be easier if we could start talking in an instant messaging fashion. I like you, and I like what you're doing. If you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to bring them to me, and I will try my best to help you out with them. ^Maverick _Nate 06:01, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for taking your time to provide a comprehensive answer. Personally I'm a fan of (heavy, if possible) citation, though I won't impose this opinion on Bulbapedia if it's not the norm. You seem like a very devoted contributor to Bulbapedia, and so I won't try to challenge your preferences either. Aside from that, you've probably noticed that I mostly focus on trivia regarding the TCG. For now I'm content with that, but I'm willing to help out with other work if needed (referring to the TCG features you mentioned). Finishing up another thing; the the "Wailords" was merely a slip, I already learned the "plural-rule" from Dark Kadabra. I've also got one more question: Although I already added some trivia about Wailord's HP on its main page, I've gotten the impression such trivia sections rarely (if ever) mention anything TCG-related. Is this a coincidence, or is it usually avoided? 17:25, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

TCG metagame/terminology

We have this for videogame terminology, and meta and metagame both redirect there. There's no mention made of the "metagame" as to how it is used within the TCG fandom. Do you think it warrants a paragraph there, a new page, or what? --P o L i 02:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure it could warrant a large section on that page. The page could probably be divided between the two, since they are equally as important. ^Maverick _Nate 20:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Anime characters in the TCG

Hi. Why can't cards like Brock's Geodude (Gym Heroes 38) be put in this section of Brock's page? I know that he has a Geodude in the games, so the card doesn't necessarily reference the anime Brock, but I think it should be included in the list. At the very least, Brock's Vulpix (Gym Challenge 37), Brock's Zubat (Gym Heroes 24), etc. should be included; they're clearly based on the anime. Bulbajer 18:08, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

The cards came out before the anime episode appeared. There is no way that the cards are based on that specific episode. ^Maverick _Nate 19:57, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually, EP028 aired ten days before Gym Booster 1: Leaders' Stadium was released, so both Vulpix and Zubat can be (and obviously are) based on the anime.--電禅Den Zen 20:33, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

This is one of the reasons why I was against splitting off Brock (anime). The TCG can't appropriate the cards that go to game Brock and Anime Brock without speculation. Dennou Zenshi, can you add whatever is appropriate? ^Maverick _Nate 20:54, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Okay, cool. Thanks guys. Bulbajer 19:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

The Rarity about TCG

Excuse me, what is the different between and ? --847418742/Nick:Togekiss of Moon 03:58, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Represents cards which are normally holo. cards are twice as rare as cards. They are also listed on Pokémon.com as Rare Holo. ^Maverick _Nate 02:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Minor style question

Some of the articles on the new Pokémon-EX have Full Art linked twice, once in the main infobox and once in the gallery. Example is Kyogre-EX. Others, such as Darkrai-EX, only link to it in the infobox. Which would you prefer? --P o L i 17:48, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I would prefer a link in both. As the infobox one only appears every other hour, the gallery one should be there. I also never saw a problem with linking to the same article multiple times throughout, which other people seem to have a problem with. ^Maverick _Nate 20:36, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed on that note. --P o L i 17:48, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Space

Uhm I was wondering, I saw that were I added space to the asterisk you removed it. The information sticking near to the asterisk is they way it should be done in TCG articles ?----DJ Wolfy 17:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Every article does it that way. They also don't have spaces directly underneath trivia before origin. ^Maverick _Nate 18:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Every article from the TCG right ? Because as far as I remember Deth left a message on a user's talk page about removing spaces from asterisk when in fact, space should be added.----DJ Wolfy 18:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Every article from the TCG. Please do not add them anymore ^Maverick _Nate 18:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I will. But could I know why TCG is the only Project that doesn't comply with the asterisk space ? ----DJ Wolfy 18:57, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Because of the way many articles are set up. The extra spaces become unnecessary and even sometimes problematic when there is a lot of text compromised into a small space, such as here. The TCG articles fit a very specific build when it comes to style, and no articles should ignore that style. ^Maverick _Nate 19:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

I see whay you did there. Good, thanks for the heads up !----DJ Wolfy 19:11, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

RE: Card Pokédex entries.

Sorry, I noticed that too late. But I think the expression "comes from" is a bit inappropriate, because you can't know surely for what reason the card designers chose which entry. Theoretical it is also possible that the entries in Pokémon Platinum were already decided when they designed these cards like the cards from Freeze Bolt and Cold Flare already contain the entries from Black and White 2. So I personally would prefer the expression "This card's Pokédex entry is equal to the entry in ..." and then it would make sense to name later released games as well. However, that's a matter of opinion and if you want to keep the "comes from"-phrase, it's okay for me. – shadowtweaker 08:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

To be fair, the Freeze Bolt/Cold Flare cards have BW2 entries, but BW2 will be released June 23, and FBCF July 13. FBCF is supposed to be the unofficial first set of the Black 2 White 2 era of Japanese TCG. And, at the point where we start saying "equal to", we'd have things like Secret Wonders and Dark Explorers Venusaur saying "Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, Black, and White", which I personally think is going a bit too far, considering if they decide to reuse old ones again and again, we'd have to go back and edit hundreds of pages. It may not be perfect, but I'd like to keep it the way it is for now. It could probably be brought up later, when there isn't anything else to focus on. ^Maverick _Nate 08:51, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

TCG sections on character pages

I've gone ahead and implemented the template on Misty to see what you think before I update them on other character's pages. The changes fit nicely around the existing code so there is no effect on the main Pokémon TCG pages, and I think I've included everything necessary for current characters (apart from double Energies in the type column, which also needs looking at on the main setlist template). ~~nuva-kal 22:03, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Speaking of Double Energies, though, Politoed mentioned how some of the template can't handle energies that always provide two (specifically Dark Metal Energy) in decklists and setlists. I thought I'd mention that. ^Maverick _Nate 22:12, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Over Water

So, here I am, helping, with whatever I can. :D

Twelve card pages in total use みずかけ (mizu-kake). The pages give the official English names as Clamp Splash (1), Flipper Splash (1), and Rain Splash (10 times). However on the pages the Japanese name is translated consistently as "Over Water".

This is a mistranslation, likely from that kakeru is a word akin to the English 'do', and can mean almost anything in context, including 'to set atop'... as well as things as far apart as 'to argue', 'to multiply' or 'to apply for insurance'.

However in this case a different meaning is intended for kakeru, as can be seen in the analogue attack for using sand, Sand-Attack, すなかけ (suna-kake). Whatever media it's shown in, it involves flinging sand at the opponent. As such, while mizu-kake hasn't been shown in any visual media, it would likely involve flinging water at the opponent, which is what is reflected in the English translations: they all involve splashing the opponent with something. mizu-kake itself, is a shortening of the expression, mizu o kakeru, to sprinkle/spray/splash/squirt water on something. As you can see from the four translations, a specific meaning is implied through kakeru in this case, to fling water in some fashion.

So, despite some attacks bearing odd names, there is no way that 'Over Water' could be the intended meaning, and it should be replaced by another translation. As for what, I won't attempt to force any translation, but I'd suggest 'Water Splash'. (After all, it's already used on Bulbapedia as a translation for Panpour's species name, which turns out to be... mizu-kake Pokemon).

Hope this helps~. Bluesun (talk) 16:09, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

This is very helpful. Thank you! I will replace them right away. ^Maverick _Nate 16:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Some more points I found looking through Freeze&Flare:

Burn Out's kana is given as ba-nauto, it should be ba-n'auto.

Celebi's Ability is likely 'Time Recall' as opposed to Time Recoil.

Blastoise's ability, bakuryuu, is likely mistranslated, as ryuu can mean '(a water) current' as well as dragon, and that would make more sense. I'd suggest Vast Stream or Wide Stream, but couldn't be sure those translations are correct.

Piloswine's Quintuple Headbutt does too much damage, and Mamoswine's 'Frost Burn' is Frost Stone.

Zebstrika's Nitro Charge has 'nitro' written in hiragana instead of katakana (ニトロ not にとろ).

Golurk's Expert Punch should be Regression Punch (退化 not 大家, makes more sense with the effect).

That's all I could find~. Bluesun (talk) 17:35, 12 July 2012 (UTC)