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Hey Kogoro, sorry if this the wrong area but I see that this talk is more active than the one on Bulbagarden Archives. When I try to upload new scans for new TCG cards, it will not allow me to do so stating that I must be an autoconfirmed user or a confirmed user. Please help! Thanks, SirFinkleBottom 16:15, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Confirmed is an Archives-exclusive usergroup that executive staff can apply to uploaders who have been approved to upload Generation VI game images, but don't meet the requirements for Autoconfirmed. Autoconfirmed, on the other hand, is applied automatically when an account has reached a specific number of edits & has existed for a specific number of days. If you want a file uploaded to the Archives and do not have the permissions to do so, you can make an upload request on an active Archives staff member's talk page. Keep in mind, that we will require access to the image(s) (and approval from the person who originally digitized the image(s)) to upload them for you. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 07:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

500 edits/day milestone! :D

Hey! I'm currently writing my 501th edit on the wiki today.

I've earned the template, right? :3

My first edit was made on February 14 2016 17:58.

My last edit was made on February 15 2016 06:43.

Between these two edits, there was an elapsed time of 12:45.

:) MannedTooth (Talk) 06:49, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no, you have not earned it. The edits must take place between 00:00 and 23:59 (UTC) in the same calendar day, which is noted right on the template page. As your edits take place between two calendar days, they are not eligible for the user tag. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 07:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Are you serious? What's the difference? It was under 24 hours, which is a day. I don't understand why such detail should be important. I'll let you know that not everyone has the same time, my day is alway split in half with the wiki's time because of the timezone, having a full day on the wiki would mean to do all my edits starting at 2am, which, not everyone can. With all due respect, this is plainly injust. We shouldn't be judged on our timezone, that's close to discrimination. MannedTooth (Talk) 07:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
UTC is our server time, and all of our time-based institutions are measured on server time. Allowing users to base time-based institutions on their own time zones has caused far too many problems and arguments in the past, so we simply do not allow such anymore. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 07:48, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
I understand that, but tell me, what would have been different if I started editing 2 hours later? The outcome would have been the same, I would have contributed and been rewarded, so it would have been a win-win for everyone, but for now, I feel robbed of harsh hours of work throughout a whole day... You don't need the website to see wheter I did enough edits or not, do you? Just go on my contributions page, click show 500 and you'll see that it has been done in less than 24hours, it's not like it was a tight 23h and some minutes, I did it in under 13hours, that's worth being noticed, nah? Devoted contributors are rare, so you shouldn't be too picky if you want to keep them... :/ MannedTooth (Talk) 08:01, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
There'd have been no difference, cause you still wouldn't have made it to 500 within a single calendar day if you had started editing two hours earlier. If your most important reason for editing this wiki is to get a fancy user tag, you may need to reconsider your reasons for being here. I'm going to quote something from a former staff member that really rings true:
"This is not a race or a competition, if you reach 500 edits a day that's good for you but it doesn't really mean anything, as quality is what's really needed here rather than some mere numbers. Editing a wiki is a thankless job, but we do it for the good of the community."
Please try to keep that in mind. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 08:13, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
I said later... Anyway, you are right, I never intended to do it for the achievement, I just happened to edit and realized I was at 350 ao I figured I would finish the job I was doing and get it at the same time, anyway... I'm just really dissapointed, that's all... MannedTooth (Talk) 08:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
Here, I achieved to take what I've done starting from 0:00 and edit until I've reached about 530 edits today. MannedTooth (Talk) 21:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
I apologize, the use of "earlier" was a typo from being distracted. Anyway, I can confirm that you have qualified to use the user tag. Congrats. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 02:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Help me identify these

Can you ?


I think the Pikachu comes from XY-P_Black_Star_Promos_(KTCG), but I am uncertain.

Is the mewtwo exclusive to the Korean sets? Thanks ! MannedTooth (Talk) 01:03, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

First off, We do not use content from PokéBeach for our articles under any circumstances. Secondly, that file cannot be accessed without having an account on their site, which I do not have, nor will I ever. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 02:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
I only wanted to identify the card, not to upload it. :o MannedTooth (Talk) 02:15, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
We don't use content from there for any reasons, even identification. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 02:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Changing Username

Excuse me Kogoro. Can you change my user name to CoolPokeGuy?--JasonL (Talk) 03:00, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Done. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 03:27, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Great headline and images

First of all, your message on the main page is so powerful, you really achieve to awaken the team spirit in me! :P

Second, can I take the pictures on here [2] and upload them on here? Knowing that the images already there come from there as well, I'm not too familiar with the copyrights and such, so I preferred asking first! :P MannedTooth (Talk) 06:32, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Glad you enjoyed it. I hope it inspires others as well.
As for the site you've liked to, it appears to be a collector's personal page. In order to use the images from their website, you would need to obtain permission from the website owner to use their images on Bulbapedia and provide the permission to me to confirm its authenticity. Without the site owner's permission, they may not be used. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that, it's in japanese, and all I can really do is use google translate so.. But for the other pictures already used? They come from the same source. MannedTooth (Talk) 06:31, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
You can always ask the individual who added those images as to whether they are the original owner of the images, or if they got permission from the original owner. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:39, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Your Template (2)

My apologies for the late reply- |I mean these. It won't be the same gif of course, I'd like to get or make a Pokemon gif for that.

Also about the pink boarder around, is it possible to make one with an image (e.g. -->
this one
)? Just a question.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 23:38, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
Sure, you're more than welcome to use the templates. I'll give you a list of the templates for easy use:
  1. User:Kogoro/Template/TOC - The box that contains the Espeon gif and table of contents on this talk page. Yes, other images can be used in it. (You can see how it's used by viewing the source code of this talk page.)
  2. User:Kogoro/Template/TrainerCard - As the name suggests, is the Trainer Card. It will work for Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Unova titles. It has not been updated for Kalos yet. (You can see how to use it by checking the source code of my parties page.)
  3. User:Kogoro/Template/Partybox - The box that surrounds the parties. Instructions are on the template itself.
  4. User:Kogoro/Template/Pokébox2 - The individual small Pokémon boxes. Instructions are linked to on the template itself.
The infobox that is present on my user page isn't a template, but you're welcome to use the code by copying it off the source code of my user page. Please be sure to credit back to me, with a link to my user page, either in the edit summary or on your user page, and follow the userspace policy. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank you!-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 21:13, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
Kogoro, how do you use the TOC template on Archives?-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 23:53, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
The TOC template I have on the Archives isn't set up for use by anyone other than me, I'm afraid. Sorry. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

3 questions

Hello I have gathered three questions which I would be most thankfull if you could answer.

  1. Would it be possible to make it so that when editing and pressing 'Show preview' the Interwiki-links present can be displayed in the preview? Because this has annoyed me some times when edit a page and want to check if it links correcly before pressing save. And i know this can be done because that feature is present at Super Mario Wiki and Poképédia to name two.
  2. Is this list done or does it need all the names because all Pokémon have not been released as TCG cards? I only listed names from the official TCG.
  3. Since Pokéteca has more or less been removed from the Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis partnership should they not be removed from the main page? Also should we not mention something about it on the Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis page and delete these two templates?

--Raltseye 17:39, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

  1. Depending on how they do it, it may be possible for us to do so as well. I'll have to look into it before giving a definitive answer as to whether we can or feel it's necessary, however.
  2. It seems alright to me. However, since it is a TCG-based listing, I'll have a chat with Maverick Nate about it before we opt to mainspace it.
  3. We'll try to handle the Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis in the next few days, since developments like these are best handled by staff. I'll update the main page shortly, and deal with the templates later.
I hope that covers everything. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 07:59, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Okay thank you for taking your time to answer my questions. --Raltseye 17:01, 24 February 2016 (UTC)


Erm, is Pokemon Gamer banned for life?-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 00:11, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

We don't discuss the details of blocks or bans with other users, beyond what can be seen on the block log, or the user's talk page. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 05:33, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Monthly edit

i have a little question, why do I only have ~600 edits on the leaderboards? If you take only my main edits, I have more than 1000 here : [3]

 MannedTooth  (Talk) 15:14, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Creating redirects, minor edits, and reverted edits aren't counted (along with edits already mentioned in the TCM page). And honestly, who cares? You've made over 600 edits and got top spot in the TCM ladder, good for you? The number of edits you make don't, and never will, matter. It's the quality of those edits. So if your only concern is to make as many edits as you can to get top spot on a monthly ladder, then you need to look at your priorities.--ForceFire 15:46, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
I just wanted to know :p MannedTooth (Talk) 16:02, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Actually, minor edits & reverts do count toward the TC & TCM counts. The only mainspace edits that are not counted are redirect-related edits (creation, modification, etc.). - Kogoro - Talk to me - 00:45, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
Oh, okay, thank you very much for your clarification. Gotta work harder! :3 MannedTooth (Talk) 02:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
We have leaderboards? RetroKitty 19:54, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

pt links not all removed?

Hello I have since BulbaBot was supposed to remove all the Portuguese and Spanish interwiki-links found and removed two portuguese links. I just wanted to say this in case BulbaBot has missed any and it is needed to remove any possible remaining links. --Raltseye 14:59, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

BulbaBot's not perfect, the staff is well aware that it sometimes misses things. If you happen to notice a Spanish or Portuguese interwiki link that it missed, by all means remove them. That's what we do when we spot them. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 04:50, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Just wanted to point that out --Raltseye 20:02, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
Hello, just wanted to say that the pt and es interwiki-links are still present on the recent changes page. I would remove them myself, but since it's a special page I thought I'd ask you to do that instead. --Raltseye 19:46, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
They have now been removed. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Misslink and/or non existing account

Hello just wanted to tell you that Bulbapedia:Webmasters lists Araragi-hakase as a Webmaster however this account does not even exist (!) how come ? --Raltseye 18:00, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Araragi-hakase, former Head Administrator of the Bulbagarden Forums, is a Vice-Webmaster. While she does not have a Bulbawiki account, she is still listed on our Webmasters list. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 04:50, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Oh okay thank you for straightening that out for me. --Raltseye 20:02, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Idea about fandom

Hi, my name is Danny Williams, shortly Danny199, and I got up with an idea, and wanted to ask if it has a possibility of working. Also, I don't know if I contacted the right person, so forgive me if I misplace this.

I recently became more active on the fandom front, mostly fanfiction and nuzlockes, and what catched my eye is how less atention some of these get, while they are pretty good. Even the wikia's made for Nuzlocke's and Fanfiction writing, aren't that populair, people come there to advertise, but no-one comes there to look for a story, mainly because it isn't known. Now here comes the thing: Bulbagarden, or Bulbapedia, is extremely well-known, every Pokémon fan has at least once checked this site. The thing I thought of is: Isn't it an idea to make a variant on Bulbapedia on the Bulbagarden network, and this one specificant for all fandom things, including nuzlockes, fanfictions, Pokémon Youtube channels, cause there are a lot unknown, everything. Bring it all together in one big site for all fans to find something. You could even go as far as putting links in Bulbapedia, like: Putting on, for example, Charormander's page a link with 'Charmander's appearences in Fanfictions' or, to be more general, 'Charmander's appearences in the Fandom'. It seemed to be like a real good idea, I hope it can work out. I would love to put some work in it, and make it active as fast as possible, but I can't start without permission from the founder.

As I said in the beginning, I don't know if I put this request in the right place, but again, you'll need to forgive me for it.

Greetings, Danny199 - unsigned comment from Danny199 (talkcontribs)

Bulbagarden already has a place where fan-created content can be posted, it's called the Bulbagarden Forums. As for your idea of putting links such as "_____'s appearances in fan fiction" or "_____'s appearances in the fandom", it's not going to happen. It's been suggested several times in the past, and there's simply not enough notable cases of such to be something that's reasonable. Keep in mind that the vast majority of fandom-created content just doesn't meet our notability guidelines, and we note the very few notable cases where it's appropriate to do so.
Additionally, please understand that Bulbapedia isn't an advertisement source, nor should it be. We're not here to advertise people's self-created Pokémon stories, Nuzlocke runs, or anything like that. We're here to be a resource for significant Pokémon information. If people want their fan-creations to get noticed, it's up to them to figure out how to promote their stuff appropriately. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 04:50, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Then why is shipping allowed on this site with impunity if it is just a fan concept like fanfictions and Lockes? If that is the case, shouldn't shipping be relegated to the forums? And marriage/crushes don't make it anymore than a form of fan fiction. One is a legal, social and/or religious commitment, while the other is not canon until it is announced by both parties and a commitment to adhere to such is made by the characters and the writers. Also, people see too many little insignificant things as signs that people are attracted to each other. I think it is both pedantic and hypocritical for a fact-based, anti-fanproject wiki to tolerate, since most shipping pages are filled with rampant and gross un-Bulbapedia-like speculation, questionable implications, and are poorly policed and maintained by reputable users. I personally believe Shipping deserves 1 page covering what shipping is in a neutral tone with no speech for or against the subject matter in question and no quantitative or qualitative lists of "common/notable" ships, if any, and a subsequent ban on speculation about shipping of any sort, no matter how "canon" it may be reasoned to be(because they are relative to the eye of the observer, because shipping is a matter best left to fanforums and lesser sites. And no, I am not "offended" by shipping, I just don't find it appropriate for Bulbapedia. I strongly recommend a takedown of all things shipping, and a ban on references and coverage of such except on the Shipping page, as to make a statement about speculation. Or allowing all fandom things to be accounted for, to show acceptance of the fandom and its ways. Which stance you want to take is up to you, but I think it is a win-win. --BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 05:46, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
Than what are the guidelines for fandom? There is alot of fanfiction, nuzlocke and fandom creations like that, if someone takes some time and looks through them all, I think you'll find enough that follow the guidlines. Also, it isn't really advertising, it is informing the visitor about the best fanfiction and the best nuzlocke runs, both for example, on the internet, so they can have a look themselves. It isn't ment to advertise, although it might have been a major point in the text I wrote earlier but that was a small mis-writing, but to have the visitors being informed, the same as Bulbapedia does with all the official information, can this wikia do with all the fandom information Danny199 (talk) 08:44, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
@BlisseyandtheAquaJets: Shipping isn't going anywhere. While we do intend to do some significant work to the section, we're not going to remotely take your suggestion. Please try to not interject yourself into discussions that have nothing to do with you in the future. Thank you.
@Danny199: First off, "best" is always subjective when it comes to things like fan fiction, and subjective content like that does not belong on Bulbapedia. Secondly, the concept of the Nuzlocke Challenge is notable due to its major presence within the fandom, and that's why we already have an article about what Nuzlocke Challenges are. Individual people's challenges, however, are not notable and should not be listed. While it may be acceptable to have an article on the concept of fan fiction within the Pokémon fandom, we're not going to have articles or listings of individual fics. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 03:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Pokémon World in relation to the real world

Hi Kogoro, I wad wondering if you could check whether the point about a Spearow nicknamed Kenya is suitable on that page. ForceFire and I have been having a long discussion about it with neither of us "giving in". Please could you decide if it should remain.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 11:59, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Seriously? You're still arguing over that Spearow's nickname? Just drop it already, Force Fire is very much correct. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 03:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

About the Template:DungeonPrevNext template

Hi, I was kinda wondering if you could make some adjustments to the DungeonPrevNext template? You know how there is "DungeonPrevNext|Dungeon Name|Dungeon Name|1|Dungeon Name" made so that the colours from Explorers of Sky dungeons could mix in with the older dungeons from Explorers of Time/Darkness, right? I'd like to see the ability to do something like "DungeonPrevNext|Dungeon Name|Dungeon Name|1|Dungeon Name|1" so that it can be coloured in completely, say for instance if anyone wanted to navigate to Rock Path from Lapis Cave page. Whenever I try to use the template like this:

"DungeonPrevNext|Great Canyon|Mt. Blaze|Rock Path|Rock Path|1dab=(Red and Blue Rescue Team)|2dab=(Red and Blue Rescue Team)|1"

It just simply appears completely broken, and when I try it as this:

"DungeonPrevNext|Great Canyon|Mt. Blaze|1|Rock Path|Rock Path|3dab=(Red and Blue Rescue Team)|4dab=(Red and Blue Rescue Team)"

It shows up as everything red, except for "Rock Path" sections, which are coloured as green (Explorers of Sky colour).

Can you please fix this issue? I can't make any changes to it's code, since Template:DungeonPrevNext is protected indefinitely for unknown reasons.

Thanks!—Platinum Lucario (talk) 14:47, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

First of all, {{DungeonPrevNext}} is protected because it's a high-use template that the general public shouldn't be making modifications to. Secondly, I really can't see any reason to modify the template to work in the way you seem to want it to. It's fine to just use two or more calls of the template as you already have on the Lapis Cave article. The staff is trying to reduce excessive use of parser functions, and such changes would only serve to increase them. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 03:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

About the vs artworks

Hey, but what about the Juan fake VS artwork on the same page? I uploaded those cropped VS artworks because they are the only masters who still being with a sprite of 10 years ago, while it can easily traded by their artworks with their sprites avaible on their pages. (talk) 01:12, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Juan is an extremely unique case, as he is the sole Hoenn Gym Leader to not get a fancy VS portrait due to not being in ORAS. The Hoenn Frontier Brains are all the same in not having portraits, and neither Lorelei or Agatha were in the Johto games, so we really don't need to use special images for the Gen III Brains or original Kanto Elites. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 03:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)


Hello Kogoro, I don't know if you know about abuse filters, but can you explain to me why <br><br> is considered as bad formatting, and why we have an abuse filter of it (I see that other wikis don't have this kind of abuse filter, only Bulbawikis)? Also, I think <br><br> is not the only one that is non-wikitext formatting, there are others too (like <a>). Thanks, Poké95 01:59, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Multi-use of <br> tags is the most common non-wikitext formatting used on Bulbapedia, and is something we want to get away from doing. That is why there's an abuse filter for them, to note that such formatting happens to exist within the material being modified in any given edit. <br> tags, in general, should only be used when used in the clearing style on templates, as we have templates for mainspace use: {{-}}, {{clear-left}}, and {{clear-right}}. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 07:07, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

User:Raltseye/List of Russian Pokémon names

Hey there, I were just wondering if it would be considerable to add Pokémon names from this list and point out that these are unofficial by adding them in italics and with some side notes at the end of the article stating that? Also my friend Bouncepaw suggested that we could add the remaining from the Russian Wikipedia. What do you think? --Raltseye 16:06, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

First up: Wikipedia is not a valid source for any information. We should not be using content directly from Wikipedia on Bulbapedia articles or lists. Make sure they have valid sources for the information, and source it back to the source that's being used by Wikipedia.
As for using names from the Russian Pokémon Handbook, that would be fine for species that have yet to receive a 100% official name from the Russian TCG. Notation of the source material can be handled via use of {{tt}}, and TCG release names should overtake the handbook names when they become available. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 07:07, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I've edit it a bit, what do you think? Good enough for mainspace? --Raltseye 12:42, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
I'll bring it up with the rest of the Editorial Board at our next meeting. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

New move template

I saw that you were testing new templates for moves. I had this idea a while ago, but I thought I'd tell you about it. So, admitting that a move will always have the same effect/heart/type etc no matter the Pokemon who uses it, I thought we could make it so that in the template entry you only add the move name and that on the template side there would be this well-made conditionning system with pre-assigned variables. I don't know if I was clear enough, so if that interests you or if you need more info on this, hit me up! I love doing templates :3 MannedTooth (Talk) 06:58, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Such an idea wouldn't be feasible, it would require far too many parser functions. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 06:58, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
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