Talk:Yamask (Pokémon)

This is probably nothing, but 'desu' and 'masu' are common grammatical sentence endings in the Japanese language. eg, watashiwa Satashi desu OR oningiri ga tabemasu. --Manga-in-a-bottle 02:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

desu = death masu = mask...and not trivia...desu Ataro 02:18, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Noticed this a while ago. It may have some bearing, as if it was purely Death mask it would be desumasuku. --SnorlaxMonster 12:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Egg group

Shouldn't it be added that Desumasu and Desukan have an unique egg group combination?Look-a-troopa 17:06, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Yamask Name origin

I don't want to add it myself, since I'm not familiar with the editing techniques used here, but I'm pretty sure it would be worth noting that Yamask may have also been derived from Yama the lord of death. In fact I think it's even more obvious than Yami... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yama

Yama is known in japan as the first mortal to have ever died.

Sabrewulf238 20:12, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Sean (Sabrewulf238)

I already added that. Someone decided it was a good idea to remove it Ataro 20:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Then that Someone isn't very smart. It couldn't be any more obvious, it's practically slapping us in the face.

I think I'll go to wikipedia and edit out that grass is green. Sabrewulf238 20:20, 8 February 2011 (UTC) Sean (Sabrewulf238)

Water Sprites 14:36, 23 February 2011 (UTC) I think that the name origin of Desumasu is that "Desu" is Japanese for "To Be" and the "Masu" is "to Have"

That doesn't make any sense Ataro 14:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Water Sprites 14:42, 23 February 2011 (UTC) I have actually just reaised that as "desu" also means "death", this could mean "to have death"

Or, you know, it could mean "death mask", given that it's holding a death mask. Blazios 14:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Water Sprites 15:08, 23 February 2011 (UTC) But as a direct translation, rather than changing it to "desumasuku" to become death mask.

It is a Death Mask. And it doesn't have to be exact you know...Ataro 15:21, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Water Sprites 16:00, 23 February 2011 (UTC) I know, I was just saying...

Lanturn88 06:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC) Another possibility is that its Japanese name could be related to Medusa (Scrambled around.) It is somewhat similar to the Medusa Head.

Unlikely due to the way Japanese works. In Japanese, "de" is a single character, as is "su", "ma" and "su" again. And it really isn't that similar to Medusa at all. --SnorlaxMonster 07:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

They're a bit different than "to be" and "to have", but I do think Desumasu is playing off of ですます体 desumasu-tai (polite Japanese). This is supported by Desumasu's page on the pixiv encyclopedia. Sensei-Hanzo (talk) 09:25, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Yamask's Eyes

Yamask's eyes seem to have a small circle at the lower part of their eye. That small circle is frequently used to show someone crying, so I think we should add it in the Biology/ Physiology section, since Yamask is said to be frequently crying.--Chosenwaffle668 21:14, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Name Romanizations/Romanisations

I feel as though Yamask's Japanese name, Desumasu, should be romanized as Deathmas, and Cofagrigus' Japanese name should be romanized as Deathkarn. LittleOmu (talk) 17:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

The romanisations currently in use are the ones that have been trademarked and used by Nintendo. Werdnae (talk) 19:41, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

"Only known Pokemon"

I think that we should change "only known Pokemon capable of learning Crafty Shield" to include "in Pokemon Sword and Shield" or "in Generation VIII". The way it is now, it sounds like that's the case for all games, but that's not true. Klefki and Magearna are still known Pokemon that can learn the move, and you can even bring them into Pokemon Home, which is currently considered a Gen 8 game according to the Generation page.

It's not like it's a standard to pretend Pokemon become unknown when they're removed from a game, either. Nobody updated Tentacool in LGPE to say that it was the only known Water/Poison again, and Carkol and Coalossol aren't listed as the only Fire/Rock Pokemon, despite Macargo not being the game. Torkoal's trivia still references Mega Camerupt's low speed, despite both Megas and Camerupt being removed from SwSh.

And the page for Crafty Shield itself includes that caveat, as do other pages for moves that have become signature, so I don't see why the same can't be done on the pages for the Pokemon as well.

(Sorry for being so wordy for a simple change, but I want to get approval before messing with what seems to be standardized phrasing) TechSkylander1518 (talk) 19:44, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

That wouldn't be as notable, though, given Yamask would no longer be the only one to learn a unique move such as Crafty Shield. I'd be more comfortable with a complete removal of the bullet point. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

But it's not the only one to learn the move, that's just a false statement. And as I said, move pages still mention that information even as they show what other Pokemon learn it. "Prior to Generation VII, it was one of the signature moves of Klefki. In Generation VIII, it is the signature move of the Yamask evolutionary line." "It was HM01 prior to Generation VII. In Generation VIII, it is the signature move of Farfetch'd." TechSkylander1518 (talk) 21:57, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Hence why I said that fact should be removed if it's no longer the only one to learn the move. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 21:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Evolution mechanics unclear

It seems very poorly researched everywhere, but there might be some conditions in which the 49 HP damage criteria is met, but Yamask still cannot evolve. I had it faint and used a Revive, didn't evolve. Had it use Curse twice to get to 1 HP, still can't evolve. Is it the case that Yamask has to take direct damage to count? Has anyone else experienced this as well? TehPerson (talk) 07:28, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I think it was to get it by 49 HP without fainting.Animaltamer7 (talk) 10:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't know when it was removed by I wrote it as one attack before. FWIW:

What if you lose 48 HP in a single attack (and don't faint)?
 No evo
...49 HP?
 Evo
What if you lose >48 HP in multiple attacks and heal between?
 No evo
What if you lose >48 HP in multiple attacks without healing between?
 ?
What if you lose 49 HP and a different Pokemon faints?
 Evo
	...What if a different Yamask faints?
	 Evo
	Store Yamask for a bit?
	 Evo
...What if you lose 49 HP and then do another battle and DON'T faint still (...and go to another city or two with loading in between)?
 Evo
	Cancel evo, faint in a battle, and try again?
	 No evo!
What if you faint, Max Revive, and then lose 49 HP?
 No evo
What if you lose 49 HP from Toxic or Curse?
 No evo
	(For Curse you'd need about 200 HP)
What if you use Curse (to cut your own HP)?
 No evo
What if an ally in a Double Battle does the damage?
 Evo
What if you lose 49 HP from confusion damage?
	(High level, repeated Swagger...)
 ?
...Recoil? (High level, one move with low PP, Struggle (1/4 dmg))
 No evo
	Other recoil moves? (Struggle is relatively weird)
	 ?
What if you lose 49 HP from Pain Split (used against you)?
 No evo

Half my remaining question is, does the damage have to come directly from a physical/special attack from an opponent (or just "not this Yamask"), or is there any way it can come from Yamask or a status move or anything else indirect.
	Indirect damage seems to be disproved by Curse effect damage
	Self-damage is probably disproved by Curse self-damage
		(Probably includes any recoil damage...)
	Pain Split may have been the only candidate for status moves
	So...
	Seems like, at least functionally, it has to be another Pokemon's physical/special attack

You can cancel Yamask's evo and still be trigger it again just by immediately walking under the bridge

There's a few small possibilities I didn't get around to testing, but I think I fundamentally covered the bases. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:43, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I have no idea how to replicate this. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

• Basically I encountered a Ditto, and let it transform into something with Sturdy and only 1 contact move (I forgot which).
• Then I sent out Yamask, had it use Endure, the Ditto hit me and triggered Wandering Spirit, this giving Yamask Sturdy.
• Used a Potion, rinse and repeat.

That's how I did it. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:25, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what I did wrong (miscounting would've been easiest maybe), but it's working fine for me now, whether with healing in between or not. So that's that at least. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for being over a month late, but I tried calculations and it turned out that a Runerigus cannot be under level 15. However, Unowninator's Twitter proves it wrong. --Bfdifan2006_{something to say?} 11:57, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I have a new question / thought experiment: Is Yamask's evolution tied to damage calculated or loss of actual HP? I am thinking it is the latter (given Yamask must survive the attack for the damage to qualify); but if anyone wants to test this, the setup is easy:

• Train a Yamask to have <50 max HP (ideally 49 HP, but any value will do)
• With Focus Sash equipped, find a strong wild Pokemon capable of one-shotting it.
• After consuming the Focus Sash, escape and test if Yamask evolves.

--Stratelier 00:35, 19 December 2020 (UTC)