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==Getting the Pokemon marked with *?==

I haven't accually played DP before, so I wouldn't know that much about it, but it seems rather odd that Pokemon in the article that are marked with * are "Found before getting the National Dex". Does this mean that those Pokemon are ONLY available before getting the National Dex, or does it just mean that those can be caught before getting the National Dex, and will still be available there after you get the National Dex? Someone might need to clear that up a bit.
:Yes, that's what it means. They're available before the National Dex, but will still show up to annoy you after you get it too. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:14, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

Like I said, I don't feel like getting in an edit war over something like this, so here I am, discussing it on the talk page like a Bulbapedian should when there's a conflict. Now, the sprites are good for nothing but decorative purposes, added for no apparent reason other than the one I just stated, yet I can't remove them without having my edits reverted (again, for no apparent reason). Personally, I think they should go; if people are so interested in seeing the Pokémon they can catch, they can click on the links. However, if I am overruled and the sprites stay, rather than being inconsitent with every other article I visit, sprites should be added to those as well (though I don't see why we should have to do this in the first place). // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|<span style="color:#00A550">'''''Szayel</span><span style="color:#C0C0C0">Aporro</span><span style="color:#FF69B4">Granz'''''</span>]]21:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:All I am getting is, "I don't want to was bytes." That's what I'm getting.<span style="background:#11FF6C;"><span style="border: 3px solid #A8FF8C;"></span></span><span style="background:#00FFFF;">[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;"><sup><big>'''''Poke'''''</big></sup></span>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;">'''''Maniac'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;"><sub><big>'''''102'''''</big></sub></span>]]</span><span style="background:#11FF6C;"><span style="border: 3px solid #A8FF8C;"></span></span> 21:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::I couldn't make any sense of what you just said, but I'll simplify my first post: The sprites are nothing but eye candy and don't belong on this page. If sprites ''are'' readded and kept for good, then the same should apply to every article with a table like this. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|<span style="color:#00A550">'''''Szayel</span><span style="color:#C0C0C0">Aporro</span><span style="color:#FF69B4">Granz'''''</span>]] 22:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with Pokemaniac to leave the sprites in. Until an admin decides, I'll put the sprites back up since it's majority. I also agree that this should be for every article with a table like this. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 22:23, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::And if you think that sprites are ''eye candy'', why don't you just remove '''every single''' image from this website?!<span style="background:#11FF6C;"><span style="border: 3px solid #A8FF8C;"></span></span><span style="background:#00FFFF;">[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;"><sup><big>'''''Poke'''''</big></sup></span>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;">'''''Maniac'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;"><sub><big>'''''102'''''</big></sub></span>]]</span><span style="background:#11FF6C;"><span style="border: 3px solid #A8FF8C;"></span></span> 22:24, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:Lol. FYI, that was not be determined as literally take them down, don't. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 22:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm not ''that'' crazy. I was talking about this specific page, PM (notice I said "on this page", not site). // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|<span style="color:#00A550">'''''Szayel</span><span style="color:#C0C0C0">Aporro</span><span style="color:#FF69B4">Granz'''''</span>]] 22:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:::No, sorry if you thought I was directing that comment to you. I was putting that in case a new user looks here and sees the directions to take them all off lol. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 22:32, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually you said "The sprites" not "The sprites on this page" and if you think that ''these sprites'' are eyeball chocolate, why don't you get rid ''these sprites'' off of every page?<span style="background:#11FF6C;"><span style="border: 3px solid #A8FF8C;"></span></span><span style="background:#00FFFF;">[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;"><sup><big>'''''Poke'''''</big></sup></span>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;">'''''Maniac'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;"><sub><big>'''''102'''''</big></sub></span>]]</span><span style="background:#11FF6C;"><span style="border: 3px solid #A8FF8C;"></span></span> 22:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:Most Pokémon sites have trainer sprites and Pokémon sprites hanging around. Not too recently, either way, the sprites have been added to ''many'' articles, most of them Sinnoh's routes. The only reason I see to get rid of them would be "to save space", not that that space won't be filled anyway. It's a wiki. It never shrinks. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 22:36, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's what I was saying above even though I mispelled it. SzayelAporro doesn't want to waste bytes.<span style="background:#11FF6C;"><span style="border: 3px solid #A8FF8C;"></span></span><span style="background:#00FFFF;">[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;"><sup><big>'''''Poke'''''</big></sup></span>]][[User talk:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;">'''''Maniac'''''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#A0C0F8;"><sub><big>'''''102'''''</big></sub></span>]]</span><span style="background:#11FF6C;"><span style="border: 3px solid #A8FF8C;"></span></span> 22:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::Not once, in my edit summaries nor the talk page, did I so much as imply it was a waste of space. But whatever; I heard an admin's opinion, so I'm happy. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|<span style="color:#00A550">'''''Szayel</span><span style="color:#C0C0C0">Aporro</span><span style="color:#FF69B4">Granz'''''</span>]] 23:22, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I know people have decided already, but here's my opinion... if we're gonna keep the sprites, I'm gonna say that we use the {{template|MS}} or {{template|Ani}} templates, as I find the raw code is hard to look at, but that's just me.. that, and use the static sprites perhaps.. again, I find that the animated ones are overused and they just look odd to me alongside static text and such. I just think that the Ani sprites are good for colorful pages, but come on, there's the static ones too... [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 23:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC) [[User:Tina|Tina]]<sup> [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]]</sup> 23:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh certainly. If we were ever to put the Pokémon sprites on these pages, they'd be the static MSes, just like in the Pokédex lists. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 01:09, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:Ack. You guys already put them here. VERY bad form putting them in the name box. <span style="background:#FF9030">'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#000000">chidna</span>]]</span><span style="background:#664444">[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|<sup><span style="color:#FFD700">G</span></sup><sub><span style="color:#E0E0E0">S</span></sub><span style="color:#000000">DS!</span>]]'''</span> 01:37, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

== Porygon rarity...? ==

Does anyone think that {{p|Porygon}} may have less of a chance of appearing through Mr. Backlot than other Pokémon? I'm certainly getting suspicious. I've resetted and talked to the guy '''''over 100 times''''', and Porygon wasn't mentioned even once! And nobody say it's because Porygon was ''already'' in the garden-- that was {{p|Chansey}}. [[User:SharKing|SharKing]] 23:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)SharKing
:Its the same with Eevee. I would think the more useful Pokemon would be harder to get through the resetting than the less useful ones like Igglybuff who I got 7 times in a row once. [[User:Dexington|Dexington]] 21:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

== Why? ==
*Another common trick is to put a level 18 Pokémon (one that has not yet gained any experience, or the trick fails) in the first slot of the party and use a Repel, though this returns only Pikachu and the daily Pokémon, like Chansey. This method may be used to obtain rare held items, like Lucky Egg, Light Ball, Oval Stone or Moon Stone, as seen in this video 
WHY?--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

== Pikachu? ==

Why does it say that I can't catch Pikachu here in Platinum, and that the ONLY catchable Pokémon in the Trophy Garden in Platinum are special Pokémon? I want a Pikachu in Platinum when it comes out... --[[User:Alex S.|Alex S.]] 03:11, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Pokemon Mansion SCREAMS for an article! ==

I find it pretty annoying that Sinnoh's Pokemon Mansion does not have its article and the only article related to this place is Trophy Garden. The Mansion is a distinct place, it appeared in anime and certainly deserves its article. It is NOT to be unified with Trophy Garden! I can start a stub, but it won't have too much information. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Still a stub? == 
This article looks pretty fleshed out to me. Is the Trophy Garden page still a stub? If not, someone should remove the stub template at the bottom of the page. [[User:Jacobe|Jacobe]] 21:54, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Level problems... ==

In Platinum, they can be level 22.  I might have even encountered level 23.[[User:Nintendofan146B|Nintendofan146B]] 20:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, the levels changed within games and no one's fixed the page yet. Feel free to update. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 20:49, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

== Frequency of Backlot Pokemon ==
It seems to me that (depending on the game), Backlot seems to 'favor' certain pokemon over others.  Case in point, over the last 30 days I've gone to him once a day, everyday, in my Diamond game, and he's mentioned Porygon 4 times, but hasn't given me a single Bonsly.  Even before that, I went to him every so often (At least 60 times sporadically) and didn't get a single Bonsly.  It seems to me that Backlot's choice is decided in a way similar to which pokemon you run into during a random encounter in tall grass. [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 20:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, that's right. It's absolutely random. He doesn't cycle through them all before he repeats himself. While it also seems likely that there is a degree of rarity involved, I haven't seen any published evidence of this, just a few fan theorems on forums and whatnot. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 21:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::Hmm, in that case, I might do a study sometime, talking to him a certain number of times (Save and restart each time) and recording the data to see if I can figure out the rarities.  Should 300 times be enough for good data, or should I go for 500? [[User:TCABF|TCABF]] 21:47, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::500's a nice number... &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 02:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

== Backlot? ==

Backlot? Where is that? I want a Cleffa. [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 15:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:Well, [[Backlot]] is the name of the owner of the mansion and garden. It is actually located sout of [[Hearthome City]] in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. You can also get to it by going to the bottom left path at [[Pastoria City]] and following that. [[User:Solar Dragon|Solar Dragon]] 15:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::I forgot that was his name. I'm so stupid [[User:Ugoz|Ugoz]] 18:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

==Castform==
I've caught Casstform in platinum without needed to speak to Mr.Blacklot.--[[User:Grungle7|Grungle7]] 10:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

== 2 special pokemon? ==

Once I was told by Backlot, that plusle was in the garden and I found plusle, the regular pokemon, and clefairy! Same thing with castform! Isn't clefairy a special pokemon?
PS:I am playing Platinum--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 07:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
:You find the previous day's Pokémon too. So you have 48 hours to catch each one. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 07:16, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Can someone upload an image up here? It looks VERY empty... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#B69E00"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#E1E1E1"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 02:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
:By image, I mean the image of the garden... [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#B69E00"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#E1E1E1"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 02:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

== Tell me I'm I'm imagining this... ==

Do the levels of the Pokémon increase after getting the Ndex? I caught a Ditto at Lv 23 and a something I don't remember at Lv 22...
Oh, and... nothing.

[[User:Togepikachu|TogePikachu]] 16:08, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

== {{p|Ditto}} ==

Something doesn't look right about Ditto's levels section... [[Special:Contributions/Enervation|<span style="color:black">~</span>]][[User:Enervation|Enervation]] 22:13, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

== Ditto ==

This page says that Ditto can be caught at level 16, 18 or 22, while it can only be caught at 22 in Platinum.  However, Ditto itself can only be caught here in Platinum. [[User:Tk3141|Tk3141]] 02:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

== Encounter Rates ==

Once Backlot's special Pokémon are introduced to the garden, how are the others' encounter rates changed to compensate?

I'm curious because I recently read about how the [[Great Marsh]] compensates for its changing Pokémon by reducing the rates of Marill and Quagsire in D/P, or Wooper in Platinum (refer to '''Pokémon → Changing Pokémon''' to see what I mean; I can't DL it for some reason). I suspect that the Trophy Garden does something similar, but if it does, I don't know how. '''[[User:SharKing|<font color="#003399">SharKing</font>]] <sub>[[User talk:SharKing|<font color="#DDBB00">(talk)</font>]]</sub>''' 17:55, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

== Bill's Secret Garden reference ==

As noted on the talk page for [[Sea Cottage]], Bill's Secret Garden is one of the most infamous Pokémon rumours of all time[https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/rumors-everyone-believed-about-pokemon/][https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/gaming/gotta-debunk-em-all-the-pokemon-rumors-and-urban-legends-we-all-fell-for-1315898][https://www.thegamer.com/pokemon-areas-that-are-impossible-to-find-and-how-to-find-them/]. Several other infamous rumours such as [[the truck]] and [[Mewthree]] are mentioned on this wiki due to their infamy. Because of this, I feel that the Trophy Garden's reference to the Bill's Secret Garden rumour should be retained, and I would appreciate that anyone seeking to remove this from the article engage with me here first before deleting it. --[[User:Poppy Appletree|Poppy]] [[User talk:Poppy Appletree|:3]] 12:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:All those sites are clickbait sites on par with buzzfeed and does not make it "infamous". The Mew rumor is the most well known rumor of the three, while Mewthree is part of the Fakemon article, so I treat that as talking about "Mewthree the fakemon" and not "Mewthree the rumor". The "Secret Garden" is just not as well known as the other two.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 13:49, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
:In addition to what I said before, the Trophy Garden isn't a reference to the "rumor", if it's not referencing anything at all. Unlike the Lava Cookie reference where it was blatant.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#EBC600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#EBC600">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#D8B600">'''F'''</span><span style="color:#D8B600">ire</span>]] 13:51, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

== Special Pokemon levels ==

I just found a level 22 Castform and Minun while playing Platinum, the article lacks it I think. Will be catching other trophy garden pokemons in the next days anyways, so I can update this post if necessary.  Image link: [https://i.postimg.cc/fL10zLKv/pokes.png]
EDIT: added level 22 Plusle  <big> <span style="color:yellow;background:blue;font-style:italic;font-family: Book Antiqua"> .Rawr! </span> </big> <small> ''([[User :.Rawr!|<span style="color:red">Talk</span>]])'' </small> 00:28, 19 March 2021 (UTC)