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should we get sprites for the decoy pokemon? <small>'''<span style="border:2px solid #000000; font-family:Verdana;">{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}</span>'''</small> 11:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

I say so.  Definitely--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 11:55, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah! We need sprites of Substitute from all Generations from back and front. Is it possible? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

It is possible for that to be possible!--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 12:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Is it? I can't even find sprites of the Substitute from Diamond/Pearl... It'd be cool if you could do it up with the template for the Pokémon Sprites. --[[User:Phred|Phred]] 06:31, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:It should be in the games' data... the question is... hrm. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:40, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::You mean this?
::'''Generation I and II:'''
::[[Image:SubstituteG12f.png]][[Image:SubstituteG12b.png]]
::'''Generation III:'''
::[[Image:SubstituteG3f.png]][[Image:SubstituteG3b.png]]
::'''Generation IV:'''
::[[Image:SubstituteG4f.png]][[Image:SubstituteG4b.png]] '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 21:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Holy shit, that's it in Gen I? In battle!? WHAT. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== With Kecleon ==

Well, since it has Color Change... when something hits it, does it change its type? I'd assume not... but... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Outdated information ==

The information in this article is either wrong or from the first generation of Pokémon. Substitute, for instance, WILL protect against sleep moves such as Hypnosis, and a Pokémon using Explosion against a substitute WILL faint. This article needs a full revamp. --[[User:Kefkafreak|Kefkafreak]] 22:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

== By breeding ==

This doesn't apply to the Substitute page itself, but to quite a number of Pokémon pages that list Substitute as an egg move.  For example, see [[Furret (Pokémon)#By breeding]].  While Substitute can be bred, in Generation IV, this is simply because it is a TM.  In Generation III, it was an egg move, and I suspect it has been carried over in many of the breeding move lists for Pokémon.  I don't think it belongs in the primary 'by breeding' for Pokémon, though.  In the Generation III breeding moves for sure, but not the Generation IV ones.  Are there any reasons to keep Substitute in the breeding move lists on main Pokémon pages?&nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Laoris|Laoris]]&nbsp;<sub>([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]])</sub> 16:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:Because it's programmed that way into the game coding.  Just because a move can be taught through a TM doesn't mean it can't be programmed into a breeding list.  Another example is {{p|Remoraid}} and {{m|Thunder Wave}}, where Thunder Wave is still on Remoraid's breeding list despite Thunder Wave becoming [[TM73]] in [[Generation IV]] and Remoraid being compatible with said TM.  If the game code says it, we list it.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

== '''''Two''''' moves named 'Substitute' in Japanese??? ==
Wha--??? Both {{m|Substitute}} and {{m|Switcheroo}} are called 'Substitute' in Japanese??? --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">512</span>]]''' 22:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:If you'll notice the kanji, they're spelled different. It just translates the same. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:42, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::I went ahead and changed both translations, to avoid confusion.—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:20, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Thanks! --'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">512</span>]]''' 11:06, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Gen III ==

Al that know TMs can learn it, right? Or are there specifics that also can't? [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 03:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
:Beldum can't. That's all I noticed.