Talk:Pokémon world in relation to the real world

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It's quite possible that Cinnibar is a part of the Sevii Islands, as Midway Island, for instance, is technically a part of the Hawaiian chain. evkl 19:26, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Where did that information come from that Shino is based on Hokkaido? --Greengiant 02:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Because, you gotta look at the released Corocoro scans from this month ==Jade 2.56pm, 14 June 2006 (AEST)
And what do you know about Japanese geography, eh? Could be Hokkaido - but the mountain chain makes me suspect Hokuriku - which is on the west side of the Japanese Alps. - 振霖T 07:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
To anyone who wishes to edit this page so as to state that Hokkaido has been confirmed - learn Japanese beforehand and refrain from counting on unofficial web sites. CoroCoro only referred to Shin'ō as an island similar to Hoenn - that leaves Shikoku and Hokkaido. It is plain to see that the map, which has been largely revealed to us, takes the shape of Hokkaido. It is for this that some web sites such as claim it to be based on Hokkaido as if it were confirmed.
Unlike Zhen Lin, I am absolutely confident in the veracity of Hokkaido. Even so, the correct wording is to be used at the very least until a full map has been obtained. Hoenn was confirmed to have been modeled after Kyūshū not long after Ruby and Sapphire had seen release. That said, Sevii Islands and Orre have thus far remained in the realm of speculation - but at least we have the resources provided by the games. --Unown Lord
What about the orange islands and fiore? Pokeant 14:36, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I mean look at Sinnoh's shape...

Funny thing about orre...(get it?Orrezona((Arizona and Orre)).).

--Snorlax 06:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Indian elephants

Hm. I was flipping through my FireRed game the other day, and there's lots of Indian elephants mentioned in the Pokedex entries... is this worth mentioning? TinaTheKirlia 02:04, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Pikachu's power? Definately. --Kyoufu Kawa 18:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Noah's ark

I was watching Pokémon Shipwreck and i noticed that brock tells about noah and the ark. Can we put that somewhere? --Theryguy512 22:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

What the heck does that have to do with geography? --Zeta 21:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't, it has to do with history of our world Count Caterpie 23:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Wrong again. It has to do with the mythology of our world, not history. You shouldn't too much into it, anyway, it was just a cop out. They didn't feel like making a whole new religion for the series, so they stole the most readily available one.--Nostalgia 14:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

About the real world locations mentioned section...

some of these things just have to go. The Fantina dialogue thing doesn't really have anything to do with it since that only happened immediately before the battle, not when you first encounter her at the contest hall or after you beat her. Besides, she could have just been using a fake accent. I mean, Blue was using a french accent when he fought you on the St. Anne, and the last time I checked, he never visited France or anything, never spoke in that accent prior to it, and immediately dropped the accent right after you beat him. Also, i doubt that an Indian elephant should count towards a real world location (maybe real world animal, but definitely not a real world location.)

anyways, thats all for now.

~~Weedle Mchairybug~~

Actually Fantina says something about moving to Hearthrome(spelling might be wrong) City before the battle.I am not sure but I think that backs up that she is from France


Just because she said that she moved to hearthrome city doesn't necessarily mean that she was from France. I mean, if she explicitly stated that she was from France (or canada, even), then yes, that would have merit. But she never really said where she moved from. she only gave a vague mention of another country. I mean, for all we know, she could have just as easily come from the Orange or sevii Islands (I think of the Sevii Islands as an entirely seperate place than an actual region considering how it and Kanto seem to have somewhat of a feud before you arrived that wouldn't be of this scale if it was a region.], or Heck, even Orre (they seemed to imply through a news report in colosseum that it has entirely different regions due to the fact that they mentioned that several regions were attacked by Abnormal Pokemon, and since Kanto/Johto/Hoenn never even referenced being attacked by them, that seems to imply that it is an entirely different country in and of itself.).

I mean if you wish, go ahead, but I just want to say that I'm not too sure about that. I mean, if she was explicitly said to have come from france (like the Trainer dex in Pokemon FRLG said about Lt. Surge [I don't count the "Lightning American" thing as evidence that he is American since Some of the Gym Leaders were given similar nicknames even though they really don't have any corollation with each other (Tomboyish Mermaid, Elegant Princess, among others comes to mind [Misty's not a mermaid because she doesn't have a fish tail, she doesn't sit on rocks to comb her hair {her hair is very short, anyways}, and she never really stated that she was a Mermaid or related to them. As for Erika, she never really said that she was related to any royal family.].).].) then, yes, Go on ahead.

But since she never really stated that she was from France (her speaking french doesn't count since 1. she seemed to be faking it since the only time she ACTUALLY spoke french was when you meet up with her, which she drops when she is close to losing, and 2. Even IF she was actually able to speak french, that doesn't mean she is from France. remember, Canada, Jamacia as well as some african countrys speak French as part of their language.), we shouldn't say that she was from France.


Regarding the map...

The map is veerrryyy wrong! It should be like this: japanforonceandforeverdz3.png Or maybe this is clearer: japanys0.png Please people, it's a common made mistake, but it isn't that hard to see, is it?


Deoxys reference

The "North Pole" doesn't necessarily have to be a reference to a real-world location. Every planet has a north and south pole. Ketsuban 20:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Antarctica or North Pole?

I'm confused. I could have sworn that Deoxys landed in Antarctica, yet this article says it's the North Pole. Could someone clarify? JirachiWishmaker0802 10:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

It's possible different tellings of the franchise have different landing spots for Deoxys. For all we know, had The Electric Tale of Pikachu reached Hoenn, Deoxys could have crashed in downtown Honolulu, Hawaii in that telling. --Shiningpikablu252 14:35, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
You know, I think we should eliminate it from the references section, as the term "North pole" doesn't necessarily hint at Antartica. Besides, Antartica isn't even the North Pole, if anything, it's more the exact opposite term. Weedle Mchairybug 00:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Could someone update the map?

Almia should be included, as it's attached to Sinnoh. - unsigned comment from LynnCreed (talkcontribs)

no almia's place should not be part of the main map because it is just a side game. almia should be in a "side game's map". Maybe that small part will be part of another generation game! do you have absolute proof from the developers of the game? i think not! plus if there is no mention of the national pokedex, then almia is in a different nation. since the main games are one nation, most likely the geography is influenced by japan, there are no separate nations inside what is similar to japanese land. you cannot be too sure until it is 100% proven. plus almia is just a small area of land similar to most things to the world right now. it can be part of the area of northern africa and mediterranean sea. also the games state that they are far away from the main pokemon games. - unsigned comment from Pipcrew (talkcontribs)

Game Systems

Would that be a reference to the real world because they are made in the real world? - unsigned comment from Midnight Blue (talkcontribs)

Harlan County, Kentucky

In my sperpetic,Oreburgh reminds me around my home County, Harlan County , also the mines.The Aura Wolf !!!! 23:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Your what?--freezingCOLD (page, talk) 23:04, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Lots of places have mines. He means perspective. — THE TROM — 23:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
There's pretty much no chance that a Japanese game is referring to your home county. There are many more notable mining areas, many in Pennsylvania, for example. I'm sure there's even more in Japan that are more likely. The Dark Fiddler - 10% Satisfaction Guaranteed! 23:07, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
True, but then again, the Metal Gear series was a Japanese game (it was made in Japan, and was originally intended to be Japanese exclusive), and yet most of it's locations were anywhere BUT Japan (In fact, the only REAL Japanese references that was in the MG games was Master Miller, Akiba, "Kuwabara, Kuwabara", and the Tsuchinoko from "Snake Eater", which is pretty lacking anyways.). Heck, Sootopolis's geography was inspired by Santorini, Greece. For all we know, Harlan County could have served as a minor inspiration. Weedle Mchairybug 00:26, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
As someone from Bullitt County, Kentucky, I'm going to have to say that such a claim is silly. We have had some form of confirmation on every other consistency. Until TPC comes out and says, "Yeah, it's totally our intention that Oreburgh be based on a county in the eastern part of a state in the US that we have almost assuredly never heard of," it's just very erroneous speculation. PS - Go MSU. --Purimpopoie 04:38, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Map with Almia

I've made a map with Almia included. I think it's better to use this one File:Pokemonworld.png --Furanty 17:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

I think we should keep the almia part blank.It's not even part of the main series obviously. or we could make maps of the main series and the other series separate. spinoff regions does not always relate to the main regions. Almia might be a parallel to india for all we know! plus almia does not look like it is on that part of japan but more on the southern part of sinnoh. - unsigned comment from Pipcrew (talkcontribs)

Note that the game with Almia mentions that Shinoh is nearby (hence the choice to send the Manaphy egg there). --Deuxhero 23:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Pepe Toño Macías

On latinamerican dub, James' voice actor always names a real world city (mostly latin-american, but some famous world cities are mentioned to) on Team Rocket's Motto, replacing the earlier "y extender nuestro reino hasta las estrellas" with "y extender nuestro reino a [real world city]". Most latin-american capital cities has been named as well as many other important cities like Córdoba (Argentinian seconds), Acapulco or Cancún (Mexican strongest tourist region), Punta del Este (famous uruguayan city), Viña del Mar (Chilean city who host one of the most sponsored music shows on the region), etc.

He is also the main reason to include many differents countries slangs to the whole Team Rocket, mostly mexican ones because of where the dub is translated. - unsigned comment from Mephisto (talkcontribs)

Other Articles?

Is there a reason all this information is listed only here, and not on the locations individual pages? Personally I think it is relevant Trivia that, for instance, Mt. Silver is based on Mt. Fuji. Darien Shields 05:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

It's listed on some of them, mainly the regions. Sure it's interesting trivia, but we don't want the articles to be made of 100% trivia. TTEchidna 06:21, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
True, but in some cases wouldn't you say it's relevant? For instance, Ecruteak City is based on Kyoto (not mentioned in Ecruteak's article at the moment), both cities are very old and have a lot of history. Kyoto is famous outside Japan- I'd hazard a guess at it being the second most well known Japanese city. Kyoto's history contributes to Ecruteak's role in the games. Wouldn't you say that's relevant? Violet City being based on Nara is, perhaps, less relevant, and wouldn't be very meaningful to most people using the wiki, so things like that perhaps could be skipped. But I definitely think that at least Mt. Silver/Fuji and Ecruteak/Kyoto are worth mentioning. I want to say something regarding Tokyo too, but the matter seems pretty complicated since there's no single Tokyo analogue.
Also, just a passing thought, is it worth maybe mentioning the opposite- for places like Pacifidog town- that they are lacking in real world analogue? Darien Shields 04:59, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Hoenn

Actually, I've done some of my own research into the correlation between Hoenn and its real-life counterpart and would like to argue that Rustboro is a much better candidate to counterpart with Fukuoka than Rustboro. The region (according to wikipedia which is the source I used) is known for its industrial and steel works, which seems pretty analogous to Rustboro's Devon Corp.

Also, Lavaridge matches up to Ōita much better than Fallabour. Ōita is closer to Beppu, the hotspring region. It's possible that whoever said Lavaridge was Aso got the two Hoenn Cities mixed up, because looking at the map of Kyushu, they're the other way around.

Kagoshima could possibly be Lilycove, as it's a bay city with a small round island in the port, which could be analogous to Mt. Pyre.

I'm not sure who wrote up the Hoenn cities part of the article, but I'd definitely argue that they didn't look closely enough at a map of Kyushu or of Hoenn, as some of them match up to other cities much better than the ones listed. Sorry to seem like a jerk, but I've done a LOT of reading online about this and it's too bad the Bulba article isn't better. I'll edit the article eventually, I'd just like a reply here first. AutumnRain 18:12, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure, show us what you got. And I completely agree... Rustboro is a much better candidate than Rustboro ;) You may want to doublecheck that :D —darklordtrom 08:18, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Table Overload

This page is mostly composed of tables, tables, and more tables. We need some actual writing in here, as well as images, or else I feel this article doesn't deserve its status as a Featured Article. It's informative, but the way it's presented simply doesn't share that information in a productive way. Redstar 15:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

What else would you have us add? If that's all we have, it's kinda hard to add more. And it doesn't look good as a bunch of bullet points making up a whole page. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
This is just an idea, but how about some free use pictures of the real-life landmarks, like Kinkaku-ji (Brass Tower), Ginkaku-ji (Tin tower), Mount Fuji (Mt. Silver), etc.? It would be neat to see, especially if we had them side-by-side with game screenshots (or Midori Harada art? ...or anime screenshots, that would probably be better) of the Pokemon world locations. 梅子 18:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
That would work, but we'd have to find all of the real world pictures that would look like the Harada art though. We wouldn't have to have a picture for every location though, so whatever Harada art we have we should try to find something for it. R.A. Hunter Blade 19:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, as I edited in, we could also use anime screenshots instead of restricting ourselves to what few Harada location art there is. For example, we could do...
with this
...Though of course all city skylines look pretty much the same, so that wouldn't be an ideal example. Just pointing out that we could go with anime art too. :P 梅子 22:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
I would have real information explaining why these different regions and cities are counterparts to real-world areas. All of the sections simply say "x is based off x". Why are they based off those areas? Was it stated in an interview, or is there a mountain of evidence that cannot be swept aside as coincidence? Some reasoning would really help this article, and without it the whole page just seems to lack any real information, which is why I don't feel it should be Featured. I also agree with Umeko's suggestion for side-by-side comparison images, but we should definitely limit them to things that, without a doubt, can be visually-comparable. Redstar 03:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I do hope you saw the
175Togepi.png This article contains fan speculation.
There is no solid evidence for or against some parts of this article.
at the top of the page. That is why there isn't that much evidence stated. A lot of the things were put up there, and people agreed on it. That's about how fan speculation pages work. But I do agree, we need something more. Unfortunately, that'll be hard to do, since most of it is speculation. A lot of it though, is where things are located in Japan and the anime, as seen on that map at the top of the page. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:09, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Of course I noticed. Despite that (or perhaps even because of it) more information is needed to support these claims. People like knowing why things are the way they are, not just that they are. Considering the mantle of "fan speculation" is already applied to this article, then we should feel free to add more of it without worry. Now, there should be standards. There should be no doubt that there are correlations between one thing and another, and no "logical" jumps or rationalizations. The towers have the same appearance, purpose, and general history as real-world counterparts... So that could easily be considered a fact and should be elaborated on a bit. Where Orre is, for example, should have options and reasons for and against each one. This article can definitely be improved, but how is something we need to figure out. Redstar 05:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


Should the sections in the various tables marked for comments be for notes on the real-world counterparts, as is currently done, or should we only write comments if there's some similarity other than geography to note between the Pokémon world and real world? Redstar 13:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

These comments do talk about similarities. Pallet is the player's hometown, Vermilion has a large harbor, Celadon and Saffron are big cities, Cinnabar has a volcano... The comments are for links between the Pokémon world and the real world. --electAbuzzzz 14:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Some of them aren't, like the comment for Dewford Town which only states that the real-world basis used to belong to Korea. (That one, at least, just sounds like Japan-Korea politics) Redstar 14:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


Anyone got a clue where around real world Japan, Oblivia lies? Oblivia artwork.png Can't see any islands that look like it or anything O: All the islands are so small...- unsigned comment from Saiph charon (talkcontribs)

Might not be an area of Japan. Spin off game regions don't always relate to the other regions. --AndyPKMN 19:00, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Milonda Island appears to be based off of Dogo Island. Rainbow Island seems to be based off of a combination of Nishino and Nakano Islands. Drop island appears to be based off of Chiburi Island. They all are part of the Oki Islands.

Sopiana Island is without a doubt based off of Ulleungdo Island.

Thundercloud and Shikulele Island appear to be loosely based off of the Liancourt rocks.

All the islands mentioned are found in the sea of Japan north of Chugoku.--flamin entei 19:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I dont think this is one of the best bulbapedia articles

Ive seen dozens more "Other applications of real-world locations" in the anime and that needs to be added.--Solid! 05:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

So, um, go for it? —darklordtrom 05:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Im getting there lol.Going to take a while to remember and view all of them that I know of. Im just very surprised Im the first one to put one in that has appeared in the tv anime series. --Solid! 05:30, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


In pokemon Emerald, Regice's pokedex entry mentions Antartic ice. --pkmn master 11:12, 14 Febuary 2010 (UTC)

Map of Side Games

I know that the side games are more difficult to place, as far as true geographic regions go (if they even exist), but in the article itself, it mentions Orre as "[bearing] striking resemblance to the Gunma Prefecture of Japan in shape, which would place Orre north of Kanto and Johto." I think this is relevant to include on a map, although it doesn't have to be the one at the top of the page.--Lamb(talk) 21:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

we should keep a map of the side games separate from the map with the main games. side games are not really canon with the main games. - unsigned comment from Pipcrew (talkcontribs)

The Pokemon Ranger series of games are canon, Colosseum games, as well, however, seeing how that game contained Manaphy, which needed to be downloaded into DP, and the fact that they have direct connectivity to the main games. Weedle Mchairybug 02:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Just because they're canon (which is, I believe, debatable) doesn't mean they all correspond to locations in Japan like the others. And if they don't relate to each other, making a map for them's gonna be pretty hard. On a side note, I think the Orre connections are quite a stretch, and there should at least be comparisons between Orre locations and Arizona alongside the comparisons to Japan. --AndyPKMN 02:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
lets just separate the maps then. the region on where the side game's area is on might be filled in by a later generation's region, the side game's region might not be in japan because they look like most other areas in the real world and the side region is not part of the main games. even though you can get manaphy in pokemon ranger does not mean that that game is canon. it just means that you can get manaphy from that game. Question- how does almia fit next to sinnoh? almia looks nothing like the tail of hokkaido which is sinnoh's real world counterpart. Almia does not look like it is in the south part of sinnoh either. If sinnoh is the pokemon counterpart of hokkaido shouldn't the center of almia be filled with land? - unsigned comment from Pipcrew (talkcontribs)
If they weren't canon, then there wouldn't be any connectivity, period. Absolutely no ties to the main games whatsoever is the very definition of not canon. That, as well as not even being made by the same people, period. Weedle Mchairybug 12:34, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

sorry to give you an example of another franchise but what about the naruto anime? all of it's filler arcs are noncanon and it has something to do with the characters. plus it is made by the same company who does the rest of the anime. - unsigned comment from Pipcrew (talkcontribs)

Orre Section Revamp

I'm sorry, but the section on Orre DEFINITELY needs work. so far it has only three locations listed, and those are listed with the presupposition that Orre is in fact based on a region of Japan. I did some research into Arizona and the surrounding area and found some more noticeable parallels.

Phenac City is obviously based on Phoenix, Arizona, for the reasons listed in the article already.

Mt. Battle could be based on Humphreys Peak, the highest point in Arizona. While it's not a volcano like Mt. Battle, neither is the Gunma Prefecture of Japan a desert. That said, Humphreys Peak also lands in the right place relative to other locations.

Pyrite Town could be based on Yuma, Arizona, which formerly housed a large prison facility (which fits in with both the Pyrite Town jail and the high crime rate in that section of Orre).

Agate Village was hard to find, but I eventually settled on the little town of Oatman, Arizona. Oatman lies right along Route 66, and, as with many towns along that route, has seen better days. While it doesn't appear as fertile as Agate Village, I thought the history of this mountain town fit in with the fact that the population of Agate Village is mostly elderly, with the young moving to the cities instead.

In terms of locations from XD, I widened my search to include locations not specifically in Arizona. I placed Gateon Port at the well-known city of San Diego, California.

Citadark Isle seems to correspond with Isla Guadelupe, a volcanic island off the coast of Baja California.

I don't know how this should be incorporated into the article, but I do believe at least some of this information needs to go there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. --AndyPKMN 15:12, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Gunma Prefecture isn't a desert, but then again, Floaroma Town isn't a flowerfield in real life, it is a desert. Anyways, I also don't recall Arizona being so barren that animals are even scarcer than water (which in Orre, apparently Pokémon actually are that scarce, at least in Colosseum.). I do doubt that it's near the Gunma Prefecture, but I also doubt that its supposed to be Arizona. Also, even going beyond Arizona, most of the locations don't match up. Citadark Island is on the opposite side of the real life location. Not to mention that San Diego isn't anywhere near that location. Maybe the old Colosseum map might have been based off of Arizona, but going by XD, it's not based off of Arizona or even the Southwestern United States/Mexican area, for that matter. Weedle Mchairybug 22:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
My bad about XD locations; I don't have the game, so it's hard to verify where they go (especially based on the few low quality Orre maps you can find). But nonetheless, the Orre section needs to change or be removed. The similarities listed are a real stretch (Outskirt Stand based on an archaeological site? I doubt it.), and besides, I thought Fiore's section was removed because it was a side game location. Should the same be done for Orre, perhaps with Phenac City moved to the section on non-Japanese influences? --AndyPKMN 15:03, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
there are no major deserts in japan (if you count the tottori sand dunes then yes but they are in the south of japan). if the fiore section is removed because it was a side game then we should remove orre. plus the state of arizona is not bordered by an ocean or something large like that water area near gateon port - unsigned comment from Pipcrew (talkcontribs)
...What about the Gulf of California? It doesn't have to be shaped EXACTLY like the state, it can also include nearby regions. Taknamay 14:14, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

New Image

I like how it's been aligned so the regions look more like they do in the games, but technically Hoenn's box should be a lot bigger. That southwestern island chain includes such places as Naha (the inspiration for Ever Grande City), Yonaguni (the inspiration for the Sealed Chamber), and Yaebishi (the inspiration for Mirage Island). In other words, Game Freak curled that island chain around to compress the region into a smaller space, likely for gameplay reasons. Also, it would tickle me pink for the map to include the Sevii Islands, although that might be trickier. --AndyPKMN 14:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

sorry i couldn't find a good map like the one i had with yonaguni, yaebishi the kuril islands and sakhalin. the colors are for the third games in the generation they were first seen in (in Japan). for johto i made it into suicune's thing on it's head. the sevii islands are red for fire red. if you want me to change the colors or fix anything, please ask. - unsigned comment from Pipcrew (talkcontribs)
First of all, you should sign your comments with four tildes (~). But in regards to the map, it's wonderful! I'm not too enthralled with the color selection (a bit dull; I would have gone with green for Kanto, yellow for Johto, red for Hoenn, and purple for Sinnoh, as is used in the new HGSS Pokédex guide) but with the level of inclusion contained within this map I'm willing to let that pass. Great job! --AndyPKMN 15:13, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Bulbapedia uses distinct color templates, such as {{kanto color}}, for regional coloring. If an official guide uses other colors though... maybe we should look at changing them. —darklordtrom 01:28, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
ok i'll change themPipcrew 03:47, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
No, you won't. For one thing, the templates /should/ be protected. For another, changes of this nature need to go through the Editorial Board. —darklordtrom 10:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

but i created the original image. it says in the file history Pipcrew 23:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

And? Doesn't mean anything about the templates. TTEchidna 21:11, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
then what should i do? should i delete the map? Pipcrew 04:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Ecruteak Dance Theater

A rocket grunt mentions hula dancing...reference to Hawaii possibly? He tells this to the Kimono Girl --User:xaigon_paladin 1:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Because it was made by the Hawaiians (technically settlers from Polynesia or something). Adding. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Isshu's Location

Isshu has been said to be far away from the other regions, and screenshots of Black and White show various landmarks similar to what are found in San Francisco (Such as the Golden Gate Bridge). I feel this should be mentioned. - unsigned comment from Tveye (talkcontribs)

I've heard New York and I've heard Hong Kong. Let's leave it at "some place really far away that might not be Japan" until the games are released and we can make more informed choices. —darklordtrom 20:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)


Tsushima was an island of Korea before 1945; the old name is Daemado.

Tsushima doesn't belong to Korea before 1945. Bulbapedia becomes the place of dispatch of propaganda. Sawamular101 08:49, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I think it can be chalked up to being an honest mistake. All you had to do was remove it, there was no need to come here and accuse us of spreading propaganda. 梅子 09:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I am terribly disappointed. It is to not only the guess but also malignant propaganda. Sawamular101 09:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Calm down, dude. TTEchidna 09:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
We don't need any nationalist crap here. Correct the mistake yourself or politely point it out.—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 01:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

He is still doing propaganda. Sawamular101 07:08, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Numbers Stations

Do you guys think that we should include in the Ruins of Alph location info that the "Mysterious Transmission" is based on the real world's "Numbers Stations"? These short wave radios are used by spies. --Kambash 20:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon world(Original Japanese version) in relation to the real world. The change in Pokedex entry is interesting. The explanation of Tokyo Tower exists in a Japanese version. Sawamular101 16:04, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

この わざを みんなは だいもんじやき と よんでいるが そりゃ まちがいだ!ほんば きょうと では だいもんじ とか おくりび と よんでいるのだ!

Blaine refers kyoto(Japanese city) in Generation III. It is convinced that it is erased in the non-Japanese version because it is not described in BULBAPEDIA. Sawamular101 05:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

some edits

As we are following Revised Hepburn as a standard for romanizations in listing the locations, "Oshima" (under Sevii Islands, Knot Island, prefecture) should be spelled "Ōshima", "Nakoudojima" (under Sevii Islands, Memorial Pillar, specific location) should be "Nakōdojima", and "Meiji no Mori Minoo" (under Johto, National Park, specific location) should be "Meiji no Mori Minō".

There is also "Chubu" (right under Johto) in stead of "Chūbu", "Honshu" (right under Hoenn) in stead of "Honshū", and "Hokkaido" (right under Sinnoh) in stead of "Hokkaidō", as well as a lot of other non-Hepburn romanizations in the comment section (Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto, Oshima, Hokkaido, etc.) alongside the Hepburn ones (Kantō, Tōkaidō, Kyūshū, Hōryū-ji, etc.). I guess non-Hepburn is acceptable, as it is standard in everyday English use (mainly important cities like Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto), but I think it would probably be better to choose either one.

Japanese Wikipedia pages to add:

Chichijima (Sevii Islands, Fortune Island):

Hahajima (Sevii Islands, Quest Island):

Yaebishi (Hoenn, Mirage Island):

English Wikipedia pages to add:

Meiji no Mori Minō Quasi-National Park (Johto, National Park):

Cape Nosappu (Sinnoh, Vista Lighthouse):

If you are still reading this, thank you for hearing me out. --Spenvdm 12:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The motif of Isshu is New York. "Junichi Masuda" is insisted on that the motif of Isshu is New York. Sawamular101 02:04, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

"Go West Young Meowth" refereence?

He was in California in the episode. - unsigned comment from 444Zekrom (talkcontribs)

That's already noted in the episode. Besides, it really wouldn't be possible for them to travel from the Kanto Region to Hollywood, California with a van, and absolutely no reference to a plane in sight (since it was heavily implied that they took a van to get there.). Weedle Mchairybug 09:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

How are these real world locations?

"In A Bite to Remember, Jessie says that Albert Einstein created the light bulb. Max corrects her, saying that Thomas Edison was the creator."

"A Rocket Grunt mentions the hula dance to a Kimono Girl while in the Ecruteak dance theater"

Ive never heard of any locations named :Albert Einstein,Thomas Edison, kimono or hula. It seems the person who added this seems to be mistaken with pokemon in relation to real world things. I thought this was meant to include reference to PLACES!--Solid! 08:05, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

The article isn't limited to locations, but those points were in the wrong section. I created a new section for people and cultures. —darklordtrom 07:58, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
The hula dance point disappeared. And I'm leaving for school now, so I can't do it. R.A. Hunter Blade 12:37, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Side regions

The section is blank! Hardly fitting of a featured article. I propose noting Almia (covered above a few times) and Orre (expliclty confirmed, see the citation in the Orre article. --Deuxhero 23:12, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


Not wanting to add more information as there have been issues about its origin on other pages (no pun intended). However, I would like to point out that the note about Hiun City should be in the comments column, not shoved into the specific location column like it currently is. Could an admin fix that? --AndyPKMN 00:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Isshu seems not to exist in North American continent. The game freak seems to have created the continent of fictitious. Sawamular101 11:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Anime=/=Games--Pokélova! 19:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The United Tower is based in United States Headquarters in New York --Angelical Master Aqua 22:45, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you have anything to back that up, or is it just baseless speculation? --AndyPKMN (talk) 23:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Capitilization error in title

One would think that a featured article would have correct capitilization in the title. In the title the letters begin with lowercase letters when they should be uppercase. This is a basic rule of writing. I suggest this to be moved to so that the title is properly capitilized. If no one responds otherwise I'll move it to a correctly capitilized page. --Pokemaster97 23:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I guess sence no one responded it's okay to move? --Pokemaster97 23:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Okay I'm moving the article to Pokémon World In Relation To The Real World. Any objections please let me know withen five minutes. --Pokemaster97 00:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Not only is it not acceptable to move something just because someone hasn't "answered", it also looks very retarded. Unless it's something very specific, it Does Not Get Written Like This Because It Looks Wrong. Jellotalk 00:26, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Besides, I also think you were acting too hasty anyway, you could have contacted one of the administrators first since it would have been easier to avoid making a simple mistake like this. -Tyler53841 00:29, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I'm sorry I thought that since no one had anwsered that it was okay. I posted three times and someone could have said something instead of ignoring my comments. --Pokemaster97 00:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
No, your method of doing this was completely inappropriate. You don't tell people to respond within 5 minutes. You wait until at least one person responds. That's the whole point of a discussion. You can't have a discussion with yourself. I can't speak for the rest, but I can't sit around here all day watching all the talk pages. I had only noticed this discussion here after I realized what was done. Jellotalk 00:44, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Well I sencerly apologize for the way I handled the situation and I will not do it again in the future. I just want to help edit and I'm sorry if I made more work for you on here. I don't want to look "retarded" again. --Pokemaster97 00:47, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Don't worry about it. Also, I didn't call you retarded, I know my choice of words there was inappropriate but that wasn't directed at you. I apologize if I offended you. Jellotalk 00:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
It's okay you are just doing your job as admin. Thank you for letting me know about my mistake. --Pokemaster97 00:51, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Anyone think this is important??

as no one replied to my comment before, I'm putting it again here. I'm almost 100% sure that it's a parallel world! Should we put this in the article as a possibility?--Juzey!! (Talk) 09:50, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll put it in now. --Juzey!! (Talk) 16:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Are you saying the Pokémon World is a parallel to our world... ? --Han Ji-Wan 18:14, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. --Juzey!! (Talk) 13:06, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I wouldn't say it's a parallel to our world, just yet. Have we seen a region based on any part of Africa, Australia, Europe, South America? No. So, it's not parallel enough. I would say the Pokemon world is based on our world. :] --Han Ji-Wan 16:53, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Just because we haven't seen them doesn't mean they aren't there! --Juzey!! (Talk) 17:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Official source. Inspiration origin of Unova.

Sootopolis City 屋久島 Yakushima 鹿児島県 Kagoshima The landscape of Sootopolis City is based on Santorini, Greece.

There is such a description. I similarly reflect an official source.

The source is Nintendo Dream vol.204. Sawamular101 02:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


My proposal: Fiore could be the northern part of the Shimokita Peninsula (

  • Rural.
  • Closest to Sinnoh (Hokkaido).
  • The geography fits very well.

KameXros 17:09, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Real-world locations mentioned in the Anime: from dub or original?

It seems to me that some of the real-world locations mentioned in the Anime would clearly only be from the Dub. I think it's important to note this in the article somehow. Chaosakita 07:21, 24 February 2012 (UTC)


Having lived in Kyushu for about a year, I have gone around and visited some of the approximate locations that correlate with Hoenn. It would seem that the Kurokawa onsen town is correct for Lavaridge. It's southwest, at the base of Mt. Chimney, as Kurokawa Onsen is northwest in Kyushu.

Beppu seems to be the best match for Fallarbor town. The whole town is rife with geothermal activity with steam rising up all over the urban area. While it has hot springs like Aso town, there are also other forms of geothermal activity such as steam vents. Which I would assume the crater in Fallarbor is supposed to represent.

In terms of Meteor Falls, it appears that it isn't just one source of inspiration, but many. Oita prefecture is famous for both waterfalls and limestone caves. As inspiration for the cave setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Furen Cave. [1] So it would seem that Meteor Falls is a combination of both the waterfalls and limestone caves found in the Oita prefecture.

On a final note, it looks like Sootopolis City is shaped more like Yakushima Island. Ever Grande city is currently compared to Yakushima, but it seems inaccurate. As Yakushima is circular, and closer in relation to Sootopolis than Iwojima. Ever Grande city is shaped more like Okinawa Island when comparing the two. Just my two cents on what might need correction in the Hoenn section. And I'd be happy to know what everyone else thinks. (MauvilleGrovyle (talk) 02:25, 13 July 2012 (UTC))

Fortree City: Kobayashi City, Miyazaki Prefecture?

Just flipping through Wikipedia and apparently there's an legend in the town involving the Suki Suspension Bridge, and since Fortree is big into their bridges, could be a match? If nobody has any significant objections I'll add it in. Rinne (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

A Pokémon Center in Pokémon BW/B2W2

In the Pokémon Black/White/Black2/White2 game, a globe is located on the second floor of any Pokémon Centers, it shows the real world, not the Pokemon world.

-- Love Krittaya (talk) 19:55, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's the Geonet, and it appears in DPPtHGSS too in the GTS/Global Terminal. It's necessary that it is the real world as it allows player's to specify their home country (and state/province) for international communication purposes. --SnorlaxMonster 08:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Gen VI

At what point is it a good idea to add details here about Kalos/France and Lumiose City/Paris? Miles (talk) 03:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Cerulean City RL Counterpart

In the table featured within the article, Cerulean City is said to be based on the real world Saitama City, Saitama Prefecture, Japan. Saitama City was not officially a city until 2001, several years after the 1st generation games. Cerulean was a city before Saitama existed as a city.

While you could then say that Cerulean was based on what was to become Saitama City, the geographical locations don't match either. With Maebashi and Mt Akagi (Pewter and Mt Moon) being way up in Gunma Prefecture, the scale of the map is huge. As Cerulean is much further East, but no further South, to put it down in Saitama Prefecture at all seems like a gross misplacement. The real-world counterpart would be much further East.

This makes me think it's actually a city called Tsuchiura, in Ibaraki prefecture.

Aside from this being a far more likely and accurate geographical correlation, Tsuchiura has many other points of relevance for Cerulean. Tsuchiura is famous for its massive abundance of lotus root; these plants grow and bloom in man-made lagoons - they are floating blooms. Cerulean is also mentioned as a "seaside" city, despite not being quite as far East as the sea; Tsuchiura sits right next to lake Kasumigaura, the second biggest lake in Japan, and has a seaside feel as a result, despite, as with Cerulean, not being quite as far East as the actual sea. The area that joins onto Tsuchiura, to the North East, is called Kasumigaura, possibly the inspiration for the gym leader (Kasumi) Misty. Misty's gym is located towards the bottom of Cerulean City, and Tsuchiura also has a huge gymnasium, including a complex of swimming pools and water park type features, which is located towards the bottom of the city. There are a couple of rivers that run through Tsuchiura, the largest being the river Sakura. The trainer bridge could also potentially correspond to the bridge that links Kasumigaura with Kasumigaura Fureai Land, although this is a little more speculative.

I'm aware that I could be wrong, but a great many things do seem to fit, or show a heavy similarity of being a match of some kind. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let me know what your reasons are for doing so. Cloud210 (talk) 11:25, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Bulbapedia! As for Cerulean, you seem to have done your homework. I agree with you to change Saitama to Tsuchiura. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I sort of missed my point when I mentioned the Sakura river. "Sakuragawa" means "river of bloom" which isn't a huge leap from "water of flower" - similar to the unofficial but generally accepted name for the sisters at Cerulean gym in the animé. Cloud210 (talk) 00:19, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Kalos Region

I thought I'd submit some Kalos region counterparts for consideration. I haven't found a lot; just a few leads. The first is the most obvious: Lumiose City clearly corresponds to Paris. Others are less clear. I think the Tower of Mastery corresponds to Mont Saint-Michel, and Geosenge Town and the stones around it probably correspond to the Carnac Stones, or a similar site of standing stones. If anyone wants to add these or has better ideas of what these locations correspond to, feel free to add them to the page. I'm still easing back into the editing groove, so I don't feel up to adding them myself yet. --AndyPKMN (talk) 20:29, 25 October 2013 (UTC)


Sakhalin is not disputed between Russia and Japan, how Sinnoh section of this article says. (Only Southern Kuril islands, including Kunashir are currently claimed by Japan). Southern Sakhalin belonged to Japan before WWII, but now it is recognized part of Russia. Ruxax (talk) 23:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)


I think I may have some suggestions for what some of locations of the Kalos Region is based on.

Vaniville Town: Moulins or Nevers;

Aquacorde Town: Nevers, Bourges, or Auxere;

Santalune City: Fontainbleau or Auxere;

Camphrier Town: Orleans or Tours;

Cyllage City: St. Nazerre or Guérande;

UsagiNeko (talk) 04:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Battle Maison / Château de Chenonceau real world equivalent addition

I know that this article has a lot of fan speculation but I've gone ahead and added a real-world equivalent to the Battle Maison in X and Y as Château de Chenonceau. I was surprised that nobody so far has noticed the parallel between the two since the similarity is striking. Their layout as a bridge-castle is very similar and the visual style is so as well. They are also both in the same equivalent location (the Loire Valley, famous for its castles), west of Lumiose/Paris and close to Camphrier Town/Blois.- unsigned comment from Almsivi (talkcontribs)

Featured article disqualification

I have noticed that this article doesn't meet the criteria to be a featured article and I think that this should go to the candidates for removal of featured article. --PokémonXXXPlayer (talk) 12:28, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The featured article is no long something we use. Articles that are already featured will remain featured, and no new articles will become featured. --SnorlaxMonster 12:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Moon landing

In the Generation I games (and presumably the remakes as well), a woman in the Pewter museum refers to the first "lunar landing" (Apollo 11) and says that it took place on July 20,1969. Should this be added to the article? RS89 (talk) 12:25, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, since we know that this event really took place that time, then I think it should be added. --PokémonXXXPlayer (talk) 16:15, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Floaroma Town

Why isn't Floaroma Town included in the Sinnoh section? It should be located just under Oreburgh Mine, however I'm still looking for it's location on Hokkaido. !BATUROO! (talk) 00:46, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I was looking at Google Earth, and the rough location would be the city of Ishikari, however, that is just what it is, a location. Is it possible that Valley Windworks should actually be listed as Floaroma Town because Tomamea is a town as well? !BATUROO! (talk) 00:52, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Sinnoh Battle Zone

If possible, shouldn't the Battle Zone be a little more specific? i.e. Fight, Survival, Resort Area, Stark Mountain, etc. !BATUROO! (talk) 01:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Fukuoka is Biggest city in Kyushu,

BUT PETALBURG ISN'T BIGGEST CITY IN HOENN!!!!! NOT BASED ON FUKUOKA!!!!!--たんぱんこぞう ゴロウ 01:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

M18 Location Inspiration

I don't know why, but for some reason, I think that the city the 18th movie takes place in is based on Chicago, mostly because the skyscraper on the left side of the poster looks a lot like Trump Tower, which is in the city. It just seems like a really good possibility that this city is based on Chicago. - unsigned comment from Harmonmj13 (talkcontribs)

Sea Spirit's Den

I wanted some agreement on this before I changed it, but I think Sea Spirit's Den is actually based on Alderney and not Jersey. If you compare a map of the Channel Islands and Kalos I think you will see that the 2 bigger green ones are Jersey and Guernsey, the little one is Sark and Sea Spirit's Den is Alderney. It is probably worth noting that historically the islands were part of Normandy (Northern France).

Another thing, it says that Jersey is part of the UK, this isn't correct. Jersey (and the other channel islands) have a complex relationship with the UK but they do not form part of it. This page has more info on this. JMVB - I don't what to put here. (talk) 09:45, 7 March 2015 (UTC)


More specificly shouldn't Resort area be Korsakovsky District, Sakhalin Oblast, Fight area and Survival Area in Anivsky District, Nevelsky District, Sakhalin Oblast or something more specific then just Sakhalin? - unsigned comment from Raltseye (talkcontribs)

edit war

You may have noticed the edit war between myself and Ratchet and Clank 1995, he/she is wrong. British Islands is a legal term that unambiguously refers to the UK, Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey (the latter two are collectively the Channel Islands), as the wiki article says. He/she is right that the Channel Islands are not part of Great Britain/UK, which is why I changed it from UK to British Islands in the first place. (Originally he said he changed it because they were not part of the British Isles, he/she may be right geographically but the term british isles is often used to include the channel islands)

While they are not technically part of the UK, Channel Islands are still 'British'. The inhabitants are entitled to a British passport, the queen is head of state, and the UK has responsibility for the defence and international representation of the islands. This is note worthy because they are the only non-French part of Kalos (although historically the islands were part of Normandy - Northern France). However, due to complicated reasons, it is incorrect to say they are part of the UK. 'British Islands' may be an unusual term, but it is correct and conveys that they are British without getting into complicated politics. JMVB - I don't what to put here. (talk) 20:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Well then to be more specific they are wp:Crown dependencies officialy. --Raltseye (talk) 15:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe we should use the term Crown dependencies as the user Raltseye mentioned above but I'm not going to change it anymore. I have .Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 10:37, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure about using the term 'Crown Dependences', it's a little obscure, I feel as if we would have to explain what it means and that would make us go off topic. There are pros and cons to using either 'British Isles' or 'British Islands', but I don't care anymore let's just leave it as British Isles JMVB - I don't what to put here. (talk) 20:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


Likening Snowbelle City to Grenoble seems pretty unlikely as Grenoble is further south than Lyon, which is commonly accepted to be Kiloude City. It seems a lot more likely that Snowbelle is supposed to be Besançon or one of the surrounding cities such as Montbéliard, Dole or Lons-Le-Saunier, considering the region is known for cross-country skiing in the Jura mountains as well as freezing weather in the winter (the region of Jura is sometimes affectionately called "Little Siberia"). The general location fits, as well. Rappy28 (talk) 17:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I was the person to link Kiloude City to Lyon and I still believe this to be correct, one reason why I linked it was the fact that Lyon is just slightly North of the Gironde estuary which its Pokémon counterpart can be seen on the Kalos map so they seem to match. You have made a valid point that Grenoble is too far south so I agree with you and that Snowbelle cannot possibly be based on Grenoble's location. I would say go ahead and change Grenoble to Besançon as it does seem to fit and the fact that it's called "Little Siberia" could go in the notes section as it actually seems relevant.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 18:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I edited it. Further reading for reference : , . To be fair, Snowbelle itself doesn't resemble Besançon much, but as it's the largest city in Franche-Comté and the capital of the infamously cold Doubs department, it seems fair. Rappy28 (talk) 14:51, 11 November 2015 (UTC)


I'm tired of seeing all of you edit warring over something so small without anyone bothering to open a discussion, so instead I'm starting a discussion on it. Personally, I don't see the problem with adding something on the end along the lines of "Kenya is also the name of a mountain in the country of Kenya, Mount Kenya, from which the country derives its name." I don't think it would hurt to add a small line on like that, especially considering that it is in fact where the name originates. Yes, the Spearow is probably named after the country, but the country itself is named after the mountain. slimey01 13:32, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

There was a discussion, on my talk page, where I clearly said that the country is the most likely reference. The mountain is irrelevant in this case since it's not something one would immediately think of. I've already made it clear, but Ratchet is just being stubborn.--ForceFire 14:14, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
To point out even more, 4 users total were involved in the discussion, with 3 of the 4 agreeing that the country is the first (if not only) thing most people would think of. As Force Fire said, these wars are the result of one person with the strong belief that their opinion outweighs the majority of other opinions expressed, which at this point I will no longer be dealing with reverting, leaving it for staff members to deal with. ChE clarinetist (talk) 01:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
I would however think of the mountain and so would a lot of other people. Kenya is also a name that has been used in the USA since the 1960s so the Spearow could just have the name Kenya. There is one issue with that point which is the other points actually say a location this Spearow just happens to have the name Kenya which doesn't mention the location, the only way it could would be if the guard said that he named it after the country and that would be the mention not the name itself.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 10:57, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
You wouldn't be saying that if you didn't know that the mountain existed or there are people named Kenya. You're only using that because you've just looked that up and are trying to justify yourself. I didn't know about the mountain or people named Kenya, but now that I do know, I still think the country is the first thing that comes to mind. No common person is going to know either the mountain or people named Kenya, because the country is much more significant than the two. I've already told you to let this go, and you are clearly not listening. This discussion is close and the decision is final.--ForceFire 13:17, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
What, I knew about the mountain way before this, in school my class did a project about Kenya in 2006 so myself and everyone who was in the same class knows about Mount Kenya. Every Kenyan probably knows about the mountain and the fact that their country is named after it. You said that no one would know about the name Kenya, people who know people called Kenya would know about it being used as a name. It's just a guess that it is named after Kenya as no other information is provided and as a result my decision is final and the whole point stays off.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 00:20, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
And per usual, you completely missed what I said. I said no common person is going to know the mountain or people named Kenya, of course people living in Kenya (and geographers, for that matter) are going to know the mountain. But everyone else, no... just no. You are in no position to say what the final decision is, I've already said no but you're clearly not listening.--ForceFire 01:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Thinking about it, after all of this discussion you have only been able to say it is "most likely the country" and haven't provided any evidence to say that it actually certainly does mention the country. As there is no certain way of knowing whether it actually mentions the country it should be left out because the Spearow just has a nickname which has been a name in the USA since the 1960s whereas all of the other points has a character actually say a place. By this logic of "most likely" couldn't we say Ash's Charizard is most likely male because of its relationship with Charla and the fact that homosexual and bisexual Pokémon have not been confirmed to exist in the anime. If we go by that logic Charizard's page should just say it's male. Ask random Pokémon fans what gender they think Charizard is and they probably all think male. This site seems to have it both ways in the case of genders it has to be explicitly stated whereas in this instance it doesn't it's just a name the guard didn't say that he named it after the country. I really don't see any difference but you admins have it both ways when it suits you,
HYPOCRISY!!!!!Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 19:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Using your logic, ask any random joe about what they think of when they hear "Kenya", they'll tell you the country. You have been told to drop this by not only me, but by Kogoro as well. So for the last time, drop it.--ForceFire 03:43, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

(resetting indent)You didn't even argue against my point about the fact that you are only using "most likely" the country. In your argument about Pangoro's slash you made it very clear that assumptions should not be made yet you are doing exactly that on this article. As I mentioned Ash's Charizard is most likely male and it's page doesn't state male so why when there is no explicit information stating that the country is mentioned is this allowed but in order for a Pokémon's gender to be confirmed it must be explicitly stated. Why don't you drop it and just allow the point to be removed because it doesn't add much to the page and it doesn't actually mention it as it's only a name that has been used since the 1960s so they could have just called it Kenya.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 08:49, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Anville Town

I noticed under the Unova section nobody put the equivalent to Anville Town. There's nothing much to actually do in Anville, but I believe there still has to be a real-life counterpart to it. I was speaking with my mother about this, and she grew up in Queens so she knows New York and Northern New Jersey like the back of her hand. I grew up in Bergen County, so I know a bit about it too. I asked her exactly what Anville Town would be based off of based upon its location, and we came to the conclusion that it is the equivalent to Morristown, NJ. Morristown is known for its train station and one of its stops transits right into the 59th Street's station (which is what Nimbasa is based off of). Yay or nay? - unsigned comment from MeruNoUta (talkcontribs)

Spear Pillar

Mt. Asahi is the highest peak in Hokkaido, as Spear Pillar is the highest peak in Sinnoh. Mt. Asahi's location relative to the rest of Hokkaido is also close to Spear Pillar's location relative to the rest of Sinnoh. Can I say that Spear Pillar was based on Mt. Asahi? sumwun (talk) 19:38, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

This is a change I was going to suggest as well. Based on Mt. Coronet's layout as you near the peak and what you can see of the surrounding terrain, Mt. Asahi looks to be a very close match to Spear Pillar. It's also in the correct geographical position, and it works uncannily well in locating the Sinjoh Ruins (or at least where I think they are). Areku (talk) 06:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Decolore Islands

I noticed that the region hasn't been added yet, along with the Orange Islands. As a resident of Connecticut, I believe the the Decolore Islands are most likely based on the Thimble Islands. They are located close to New York, the area Unova itself is based on. Additionally, many of the Decolore Islands are not populated and instead used as nature preserves, similar to the major university-owned Thimble Islands used for ecological studies. However, a few islands in the Thimbles are built up considerable, such as Money Island. This is similar to the Unnamed Island in BW138. Manqoba (talk) 15:31, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

With all due respect, I think your perception of likelihood may be influenced by home-state bias. Looking at a map, the Thimble Islands hug Connecticut very closely, far from the border with New York, and very far from any part of New York that Unova is based on. I think this is a case of confirmation bias, sorry. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:21, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


Assuming that Oblivia is in fact based on the Oki Island, here is what I believe to be the relation:

  • Dolce Island is Chibu
  • Renbow Island and Mitonga Island form the two halves of Nishinoshima
  • Sophian Island is Okinoshima (transposed a bit)

But Faldera, Layuda and Tilikule have no real-world counterpart. Ifni400 (talk) 23:51, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Images and Mystery Dungeon

I have two questions, 1. Why is it that only the three latest regions have a compairing image to the corresponding real world location? Also both Unova's and Kalos' as well as Almia's image all have the real world location above it while Alola's is located beneeth. Why? 2. Isn't the Mystery Dungeon world based on somewhere in the world or is it just made out of the air so to speak. --Raltseye prata med mej 11:14, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Blackthorn City, Dragon's Den and Ice Path

Northeastern Johto is not an easy area to pin down, but I think I've found something that accurately depicts the Blackthorn area. I can tell people have already made a significant effort to locate these places, so I don't want to make any changes to their contributions without talking about them first.

First off, I don't think there's much significance between Clair's Japanese name, Ibuki, and the suggested Dragon's Den, Mt. Ibuki. Ibuki means "breath", and is often associated with a strong will, impulsive behavior and over-sensitivity; this seems to fit Clair pretty well. In GSC, the TM she awards you with is Dragonbreath, or Ryu-no-ibuki in the JP version, another possible origin of her name. I'm sorry, but I'm really starting to doubt her name was inspired by the mountain believed to have the had the world's heaviest snowfall in recorded history, so I don't think there's much supporting that mountain as the location of Dragon's Den. However, given the mountain's close proximity to "Mahogany" and "Lake of Rage" and its own icy history, I think it's a strong candidate for the entrance to Ice Path.

The next thing I want to critique is the Blackthorn-Shirakawa theory. The main thing that made me look into this is that Shirakawa is significantly far away from where you'd expect to find it relative to the other locations we've found, and unlike the the questionable relationship between Cherrygrove/Violet, Shirakawa is also very far away from every other location we've found (it's the most isolated location in all of real-world Johto/Kanto to date). Additionally, Shirakawa is famous for its nearly-uniform gasshō-zukuri, but these designs aren't reflected in Blackthorn's new buildings even though Violet and Ecruteak received makeovers that match Nara and Kyoto.

Okay, now for my suggestions. I think Blackthorn is Kai/Kofu, Yamanashi; Ice Path (exit) is the oft-hypothesized Narusawa Ice Cave, Yamanashi; and Dragon's Den is Kanazakura-jinja Shrine, Yamanashi.

My first lead came when I saw a "Did You Know" on the Smash Bros series; during development the first game was called "Dragon King: Fighting Game" and featured a striking picture of a low-rise neighborhood with Mt Fuji (Mt Silver) in the background. The video claimed the game's name came from that neighborhood, which just so happened to be where HAL Laboratory was located, and that the picture was taken by a certain programmer I'll name later. This all piqued my interest, so I started digging. The town's name was Ryūō, with a population around 40,000 (right on the low end of other towns believed to inspire other towns up to this point), and it was merged with several other towns into Kai in 2004 (after the release of GSC). Geographically, it's a strong match for Blackthorn, surrounded by mountains and with Fuji standing prominently to its Southeast; the biggest issue is that it's tightly clustered with a number of significant cities. Then I zoomed out, and I realized the broader Kofu basin is a very close match to the birds-eye view shape of Blackthorn (use Earth mode to make this more apparent). According to legend, the Kofu basin used to be a lake until Kami pushed on of the mountains aside and the lake drained to the south; this southerly river-valley is clearly visible from a map and could explain the river in Blackthorn and Route 45 in HGSS.

Okay, so Dragon's Den. Kanazakura-jinja Shrine is just north of Kai, it prominently features a pair of dragons, the "rising and falling dragons", and one carries a fire crystal and the other a water crystal. The translations from their website are a little wonky, but it sounds like these dragons symbolize the reconstruction of the main shrine after it collapsed in a 1953 fire (there's also some visible damage to the Den in HGSS), with the dragons drawing attention to fire above and water below. Rising and falling dragons, fire above/water below... I think this symbolism is an interesting parallel to Dragon's Den and the lava-filled Gym located directly above it, and what was the name of that Gym's badge? Rising. Also, the Shrine wasn't all that burned; most of the Kofu basin was destroyed in a night-time air raid in 1945. Combined, these fires may have inspired Blackthorn's name, Fusube, or black smoke.

Anyone who's still reading has probably already encountered the idea that Narusawa Ice Cave corresponds to Ice Path, so I'll just say Kai/Kofu is sandwiched neatly between the Cave and the Shrine. Also, an Ibuki/Naursawa fused Ice Path may serve as a "portal" of sorts to cover the long distance between Koka/Mahogany and Kai.

Finally, earlier I mentioned HAL's R&D center in Kai and a certain programmer. We know that GameFreak has a habit of featuring themselves in the Pokemon games, but what about guest programmers? Well, HAL may not have worked on GSC directly, but their then-president did! Satoru Iwata famously helped development along through graphical compression (he's directly attributed with freeing up enough space on the cartridges to add the Kanto region to the games), so where might he be in Blackthorn? The Move Deleter, of course! Iwata freed up space on the carts, the MD frees up space on your Pokemon; considering everything else, I find this to be more than mere coincidence.

Any one of these location changes might not be very persuasive on their own, but I think they're pretty compelling when taken altogether. What do you guys think about these possible changes in our listed locations?Areku (talk) 07:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)