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===Fail===
I did attempt to make the box details on the right, and messed it up. D: So I did the best I could with the rest of the page, just to get it started. --[[User:Jennyrogue|JennyRogue]]

== Magmortar ==

I guess it would evolve into Magmortar together with Electabuzz!-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 14:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe, maybe not. We should wait when/if it does before adding it to the article. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 18:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Why...? ==
Why was this made? How many times do I have to say this? 

<big><big>'''RIVALS DON'T NEED PAGES FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR POKÉMON'''</big></big>.

What makes me laugh even more is that this Pokémon was only seen in a flashback. Who knows if he'll have it the next time he shows up. Why couldn't you wait to make the article when it had a more important role? --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">ケンジ</span>]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">ガール</span>]]''' 22:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
:I have to say I agree. Why not make something like article for deletion page? Wikipedia has one of those, and it's very uesful. The deletion template isn't good, we need to have some place where we can discuss in general what articles should be removed. Maybe something like Bulbapedia:Articles for deletion. What do you guys say? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:53, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
::We have this page because it is a Pokémon to a main character. Why else would we have [[Ash's Raticate]]???? And BlazikenMaster, I don't think that's needed....--'''[[User:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#FF7F00">Theryguy</span>]][[User talk:Theryguy512|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">5</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">1</span>]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|<span style="color:#5C8CFA">2</span>]]''' 01:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Rivals are NOT main characters. There are only 9 main human characters: Ash, Misty, Brock, Tracey, May, Max, Dawn, Jessie, and James. I'm sick of people counting rivals as main. A main character is one that is in EVERY episode while traveling (or following) Ash. --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">ケンジ</span>]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">ガール</span>]]''' 01:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
::::My personal definition of notability for these articles is whether you can say more about them than can go in the trainer's article and/or the anime section of the species articles.  Magmar does not pass that test right now. 
::::And no, an "Articles for deletion" page is not needed.  If you want to discuss it outside of the talk pages, you can use the forum.  In fact, I've created [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/showthread.php?p=492123#post492123 a thread for this] in the forum anyway. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 01:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::I really apologize, I didn't know the message board was for discussing this encylopedia. Sorry about not checking first. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 12:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Magmar has to be notable because Paul used it in a gym battle and unlike Azumarill, it defeated the Gym Leader's main Pokémon. So he isn't going to release it anytime soon. Anyway let's leave the article as it is for the time being. We can see what to do for this page later. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #336699">'''Jmath'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #336699">'''Talk'''</span>]] 13:37, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
:Magmar was seen in one flashback.  That is ''less'' than Azumarill got.  Sure, it is likely to be a part of his main team but we can have the article when that happens.  It doesn't deserve one now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 17:16, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

== Delete ==

Can we please delete this. It's confusing people. And we don't have redirects for other trainers Pokémon whose page doesn't exist. --'''[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">ケンジ</span>]]''' '''[[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">ガール</span>]]''' 07:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:[[Paul's Azumarill]], [[Paul's Ninjask]] and Paul's Fearow all redirect to where their information in Paul's article is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 15:02, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::I second Fabu-Vinny's proposal. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 15:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::What proposal?  They already do that. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]]</sup> 15:11, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Whoops. Nevermind. I didn't notice that for some reason. Mornings aren't my thing. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 15:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think this is pretty cool. But now, Paul has it, so it's back. So what happened Ursaring and Electabuzz? (John 20:09, 30 October 2008 (UTC)) [[User:Paul'sDialga]]
::::::We don't know, hence, I placed them under "Status Unknown".  Paul, in DP100, showed he had Torterra, Weavile, Gliscor, Honchkrow, and of course, Magmar on his person.  Neither Ursaring nor Electabuzz was seen, so it's unknown which one he had in his sixth slot, or even if he had ANYTHING in his sixth slot.  <small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' </small> 11:11, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Why in the galaxy did this page get recreated?! And don't tell me it's because it appeared again and did something. Show me anywhere on this site where it says that every Pokémon belonging to a '''rival''' character has its own article, because this should not exist. If Paul appeared in ''every single episode'', then maybe I wouldn't have a problem with this one, but I do have a problem with it. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 21:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:Apparently {{u|Missingno. Master}} thought that a mere second appearance, one not in a flashback, was enough to make this Pokémon notable enough for its own article.  I've went ahead and took the steps to set up a notability discussion (tagging the page with the questionable notability tag, then protecting the page).  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:08, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Are they gonna prtect any and every article that speaks the truth, these dys?! [[User:Paul'sDialga]] (John 00:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC))
:::.... Not notable. Get rid of it. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 02:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::.....And it is does not have yet a starring role or anything that {{tt|focuses on it|except for the flashback}}.--[[User:Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#C0C0C0">DU</span></sup>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<sup><span style="color:#000000">SK</span></sup>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<sub><span style="color:#696969">evz</span></sub>]] 02:42, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::What do you mean by "speaking the truth?" I don't see the notability of this article at all. Is it Paul's signature Pokémon? Has it had a significant impact on the series? If he released it, would anybody care? These are the types of questions that should be asked before creating an article, in my honest opinion. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] <sup>[[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]]</sup> 04:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

And the pic of Magmar is from [[DP050]], so that Magmar is not even Paul's--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

As much as I like having articles on rival's pokémon, Magmar does not deserve an article. It was seen for like 5 seconds battling Maylene's Lucario, and then seen lying on the ground in Thursday's episode. Harley's Wigglytuff did more in just one episode for goodness sakes. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 03:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

:Well the way I see it, Paul will have 6 Pokemon by the league, since those six Pokemon will be ones we've seen before the league they are a lot more notable than say Tyson's Shiftry who only showed up to battle Ash. It's not like Gary who has 50 Pokemon, Paul only has 7/8 (well he did catch Ninjask, whether he kept it or not is known) that we know of. And like I said on Paul's Gliscor(?), if this page is so needed, then why don't we alter Paul's page so it looks more like Game characters? The Pokemon, and their moves, which would be more helpful more than a picture of the Pokemon that a person has. And unlike other characters Paul's Magmar actually showed up in an opening (so it must be important to someone). But like I was saying, some of these characters need their Pokemon moves on the actual character pages like it is for the game character. Because you don't know how much I've wanted to know what person's Pokemon knew. But couldn't because the only way to show their moves is if they had their own article. Which is a little weird when you think about. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 05:57, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Possible notability coming ==

Just a heads up. We might have to make this after all. Since it is going to be used in the battle with Brandon. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 11:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
:Not only that, it's going to evolve between that and the two part episode.  NOW will you let the article be made???  [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] wants YOU!  [[User:Missingno. Master/The Order of the Glitch/Bulbapedia Branch|Join the Order of the Glitch!]]  <small>[[User talk: Missingno. Master|(my talk page)]]</small> 10:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::Is that confirmed info? --'''[[Totodile (Pokémon)|<font color="#58420e">☆</font>]][[User:Alpha Totodile|<font color="#DAA520">A</font>]][[User talk:Alpha Totodile|<font color="#C0C0C0">T</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Alpha Totodile|<font color="#5f5f5f">♂</font>]]''' 11:00, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes.--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#DAA520">'''F'''</span>]][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#DAA520">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">'''F'''</span>]][[Lugia (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">ire</span>]] 11:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, it could be a completely different Magmortar that Paul captured. He is the kind to do that, after all. Wouldn't it be amazing if we could wait til it aired!? &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 11:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

== Umm.... ==

Isn't the protection thing enough already? [[User:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000099">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''M'''</span>]] 21:14, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:I'll take it off if you promise not to remove the ability. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 21:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::Is it so hard to wait for the episode before jumping to conclusions? [[User:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000099">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''M'''</span>]] 22:04, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:::PsychicRider got permission from an admin so it stays. Personally I agree with you but I could get in trouble if I unprotect this and you change it again. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 22:08, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Fine, I won't remove it. But this ''really'' is jumping to conclusions. Especially since he's saying this from a preview. [[User:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000099">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''M'''</span>]] 22:12, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well it's there decision. But I guess it can't be that much of a gun jump as it is Magmortar's ONLY ability. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 22:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::It was shown in the preview that Pikachu had flames on it's body after coming into contact with Magmortar. It has Flame Body. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::The scenes in a preview aren't exactly in order, you know. It's just random scenes spliced together. [[User:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000099">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''M'''</span>]] 23:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Pikachu used Quick Attack on Magmortar. Magmortar looked up, Pikachu had flames on its body and in pain. It's Flame Body, get over it and drop it. Not any other way to be clearer with you. --[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 23:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::What exactly don't you understand about the word "random"? It could easily be a shot of Pikachu using Quick Attack, Magmortar recovers and uses Flamethrower causing the burns. It's ''random'' scenes. And anyway, where is the "wait until it airs" policy that used to be there? [[User:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000099">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''M'''</span>]] 23:55, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::It's staying. End of discussion. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 23:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)


==Body shape==
Anybody else noticed that Paul's Magmortar has a significantly larger body than the one seen owned by lucas in the movie? Is it notable? [[User:Hellkaiserryo12|Hellkaiserryo12]] 22:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)