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==Magmar in LG==

Hey all, I notice a bit of a discrepancy on the location for {{p|Magmar}} in LG.  On this page, it says that it is only found on [[Mt. Ember]], yet on the page for [[Pokémon Mansion]], it says that it can be found there, much like in the original games.  I myself have spent days now searching on all floors of these two dungeons, all to no avail.  Can anyone help me clear this up?  Thanks!

Self Correction: Apparently, it was listed in the page for Mt. Ember after all.  Sorry about that, changed the post to reflect that.  But the page for the Pokémon Mansion still lists it as appearing in generation III, and I'd like to know if it's true or not.

[[User:Amanwithnoname|Amanwithnoname]] 19:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Should it be noted that in Platinum you can catch magmars a lower than the evolve [[User: Vespitomb|Vespi]][[User talk:Vespitomb|tomb]] 20:39, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:That is not unique to Magmar... see the triva section of the [[level]] article. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 23:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Held Items HG ==

Why is the magmizer considered an "event only" item? I caught a Magmar in the burned tower (Heart Gold) who was holding onto one. Is it just incredibly rare and I have the best luck ever? Or did some one just make a typo?
:It's just that the template dosen't have all the information. I know that some wild Magmar do hold the Magmarizer. The event section is referring to Magmar obtained from events, as opposed to saying that only event Magmar can be obtained holding them. If someone knows the rate in any gen IV games then they can either add it to the template or post it here, and someone will add it. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 09:38, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

== XY Hold Item ==

Magmar's hold item is supposed to be Magmarizer, can any one confirm this? [[User:Trainer Yusuf|Trainer Yusuf]] ([[User talk:Trainer Yusuf|talk]]) 16:06, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

== Debut music ==

Can someone fact-check me on this:
In Riddle Me This!, when Magmar first appears, the music that plays is the Champion Battle music from RBY. This is the first instance of hearing this music in the anime, yes or no? I blitzed through Season 1 a few months ago and this just hit me when reading through the Magmar page this evening. [[User:TwilightHylian|TwilightHylian]] ([[User talk:TwilightHylian|talk]]) 02:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

== duckbilled dinosaurs ==

instead of saying its a combination of booby and ducks, wouldnt it be more accurate to say it shows features of duckbilled dinosaurs?

duckbill, five fingers, long tail, protrusion above the head similar to some duckbilled dinosaurs (hadrosaurs) namely outdated depictions of tsintaosaurus (note that magmar was designed in the 90s)

i mean... come on, it's neither a duck nor a booby

just putting this out there
thanks for reading [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 04:21, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:Its Japanese name definitely seems like a reference to boobies to me, and its Chinese name refers to it being "duck-billed", and its English name could well be a reference to fulmars. All of that on top of it having a duck-like beak to me makes it clear that it's meant to be based on a water bird. They simply chose, perhaps ironically, to make it a Fire type and make it live by bodies of magma or lava instead of water. And sure the rest of its features are more reptilian but honestly that's true for a lot of Gen I designs. There's really nothing else connecting it specifically to duckbilled dinosaurs aside from it being reptilian and having a beak, whereas the water bird reference has multiple connections across different languages. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 13:44, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

alright, the water/lava connection is possible, did not think of that, but still, it fails if later it is revealed that the japanese name has nothing to do with boobies

indeed the Chinese name refers to the duckbill, but it's literally duckbilled fire monster it dragon (the may be probably coming from dinosaur, as almost all prehistoric reptilian are something-long and is to prevent the name from be coming too long)
so in Chinese it is a duckbilled monster/dragon/dinosaur

then again, fire breather, the karura and the hyottoko mask combination seem much more likely to me, to be implemented in the design than seabirds (which may be or may not be represented only in name)

then again, as always, anything is possible, we don't know what was the actual intention behind the name (or the design) unless confirmed by an official source

thanks for reading
cheers [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 00:42, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

left out: duckbilled dinosaurs are literally the same as the chinese name of magmar without the 火 (fire) 鸭嘴龙 [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 00:47, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

== on naming ==

ok, before anyone accuses me of talking nonsense, and making up random stuff, I'd like to clarify that I've been living in Asia in the past 9 years, speak fluent Chinese and Japanese, studied linguistics (especially Asian languages) and some marketing

i'd like to draw attention to something, sometimes English and Japanese names of pokemon sometimes have very little connection to each other or the pokemon itself

I'm not sure if we have any trustworthy info on how pokemon names are chosen, whether they're given by the designer right away or a naming team later (the letter may be seen in 
the case for ivysaur and it's evolutions, which probably got their names after the evolution line was completed
 I'm going to list a few examples, please bear with me:

wartortle has very little to do with war or warriors except it seems a little angry, considering squirtle and Blastoise both got their names from emitting water with different pressures, it might as well have been named pumptle or shootle or something, yet it was named wartortle, perhaps for the angry look, pretty random, would make more sense if blastoise was named turtank, needless to say, not much to do with the Japanese name, except for including turtle

tyranitar: probably got it's name from it's meaniness and general resemblance to a dinosaur and has a nice ring to it, easy to remember (marketing), but, needless to say, the English name has nothing to do with bangiras (i will get back to the name bangiras later!)

jynx: the name is mostly just a reference to it's psychic typing, nothing decisive here, once again nothing to do with the Japanese name

and we finally arrived to magmar:
boober, the fire spitting pokemon with a duckbill, but otherwise no connection to birds, but instead of the English word booby, the Japanese name boober may be coming from the sound (boo) fire spotters create when spitting fire, and burn

and magmar may be just a combination of magma and char

the design may have also been inspired by a flamboyant fire spitter, no seabirds here

and let's get back to bangiras, bangiras may just very well be bangiras, a random kaiju name, while most Japanese names actually have Japanese words in it, not all do
not sure how the person who wrote the entry found the words, but it seems to me that they perhaps just hit up a Japanese dictionary and started to look for the syllables and picked out the ones that may relate to the pokemon, however Japanese words listed at the name origin are not frequently used (except for kirai) and so, it is not likely for a franchise for kids to use difficult words, so yes it might just be bangiras as it is, nothing less, nothing more

so even though many names do include actual words, i would advise against trying to find too many awkward words as they may be misleading, unless they're confirmed by official sources, i would suggest not to stick too much to a single explanation

I'd also suggest to pay attention to the chinese names when looking for origins of pokemon, bulbasaur and its evolutions had a frog (蛙) in its Chinese name even when it was still a mammalian reptile on Bulbapedia, until an interview with Sugimori where he said that they're actually frogs

as a side note I'd also like to mention that Scizor's Chinese name is large pincer mantis, clearly referring to it having pincers ;)

also I'm not sure if it fits here but it is also connected to magmar, however if someone feels this should be moved into another discussion page, feel free to move it there, or tell me where it fits, and I'll gladly copy my text

if you wish, take the above listed into consideration, when looking for name and design origins for pokemon

thanks for reading [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 10:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
:I still think ''booby'' is plausible, as well as ''fulmar'' for the English name, given Magmar's duck-like bill (which is also referenced in the Chinese name) and, for fulmar, the possible connection to fire spitting. If you disagree with Bulbapedia's current approach to name origins, [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex|the talk page for Project Pokédex]] may be a good place to go for a general discussion on that. And if you disagree with a specific word's inclusion for a Pokémon's name origin, I'd just bring it up on the relevant Pokémon's talk page. You're also free to add your own words to the origins, just don't be surprised if people disagree and remove them. [[User:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><font color="F34134">'''Land'''</font>]][[User talk:Landfish7|<span style="font-family:Tahoma"><small><font color="8334B7">'''fish7'''</font></small></span></span>]] 13:44, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

don't get me wrong, most of the Japanese names are very well 
but on some occasions, some words seem to be out of place and not fitting despite bearing meanings that may describe said pokemon (like in the case of bangiras)

Japanese names usually use words (of English or Japanese origin) of simple colloquial language:
okorizaru
hitokage
fushigidane
lizardon

the legendaries tend to have difficult names (probably in order to make them more mystical in the eyes of the target audience)

I'm not saying any of the name sections are wrong, anything is possible
and the beauty of the trivia section is that, unless confirmed by certain sources, just like with art most of it comes down to individual interpretations
and so, including 野蛮 [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 01:01, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

sent it before i was finished
so including yaban in bangiras, seeing booby in boober or not allowing to include Scizor's obviously crustacean/scorpion like pincers are not a big deal

I'm only saying sometimes it is not necessarily to desperately look for words in the names because it could easily become something i am often told on this site ''a stretch'' then again, it may as well be correct

thanks for the read
cheers [[User:Lphits|Lphits]] ([[User talk:Lphits|talk]]) 01:08, 17 December 2022 (UTC)