Talk:Legendary duo

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Should these "legendary duos" get their own pages and template like the legendary trios? Gligar 23:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

And here's something for debate: Phione & Manaphy: a duo? Gligar 23:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

BZZT, unlike the birds, beasts, golems, and pixies, these guys have no special duo traits or stories. The birds together summon Lugia, Ho-Oh made the beasts, the golems awaken Regigigas, and the pixies were created by Arceus. TTEchidna 23:25, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Not sure which question you're trying to answer, but if you're talking about getting their own pages:
  • I think if we are going to state the similar movesets we need them to have a new template and there own pages. I think it's a good idea. :)
  • Similar movesets (for some of them)
  • Mewtwo/Mew has movie and relations
  • Lati@s (obvious, already has a page, similar movesets)
  • Lugia and Ho-Oh both resided on the towers
  • Cresselia and Darkrai are polar opposites (in Mystery Dungeon and DPPt at least)
  • Phione and Manaphy are in the same family, similar traits, similar movesets.

Gligar 23:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Gligar; they do need their own page.Green Zubat (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

WTH WTF ON LD Pg!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


As I said, do you have proof as them both being a duo? Phione is merely an offspring and a sort of "servant" to Manaphy~Ποκεμανιακα0β 00:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Sorry. I didn't see your comment on the trio page.Giratina's Embodiment 18:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh no it's fine, don't apologize~Ποκεμανιακα0β 18:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

How about we make a speculation duo heading then: Speculation Trios? It would make a good idea, plus anyone who wanted could put up their speculation? I need at least 4 people backing me up on this before I'm gonna make this, and if anyone makes it before I have the 4+ 'votes', I'm gonna delete it like Pokemaniac102 did to my section. Just sign, and I'll consider it a 'vote'.

Oo, sorry but Bulbapedia rule is NO SPECULATION~Ποκεμανιακα0β 18:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, sorry. Giratina's Embodiment 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


There should be one under each section like there is on the trio pages. YinYang 20:42, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Tower Mix-Up?

I thought I had better check first, but I think there has been a mix-up regarding the Tin Tower and the Brass Tower. It says that Lugia perched at the top of the Tin Tower, and Ho-oh on the Brass Tower. Shouldn't that be the other way round? Ho-oh is found at the Tin Tower in Gold and Silver. Taromon777 11:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

True.. Ҝəυzø8 12:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

SeaFairy duo

If Mew and Mewtwo are a duo, Manaphy and Phione are also! Mewtwo is the unnaturaly created stronger version of Mew Phione is the naturaly created (bred) weaker version of Manaphy. The first are both Psychic the latter are both Water... There is no logic saying one are a duo and the other 2 are not.--Saiph charon 12:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Mewtwo and Mew, a duo?

It is a bit of an stretch, the only relation they have is flavor text: They lack similar stat distributions or even stat totals and they have different movesets and learning levels. When they were made, they were not paired like the other 3 duos, and rather worked like two related but standalone Pokemon. You can see it in gen II, when they diverge, and Mewtwo inspires Lugia and Ho-Oh, while Mew inspires Celebi (and the future event Pokemon).

Yeah, Mewtwo and Mew are related, but it is not the same relation that the other 3 examples have. In fact, Mewtwo, apart of flavor text, has more things with common with the Tower Duo that with Mew; with whom it only has in common Flavor text.

So, this is at least worth of a mention in the article. An article, I have to say, way less solid that the Legendary trio one, and based quite a bit more that it in fan theories. Eriorguez 17:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


Should we make separate pages for each duo/trio/group?Pringles 04:07, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Lunar Duo

I noticed that of the true duos, only the Lunar Duo has one pokemon that is in the game and one from an event. Is that worth noting on the page, or no? It seemed a tad too trivial for me to do it without asking. PowerPlantRaichu (talk) 11:30, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

What about Cresselia/Darkrai and Mew/Mewtwo? Really, based on our listing, the Tower Duo is the only duo that does have them both readily available in the same game. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 11:39, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Title change?

Perhaps it would be better to call them symmetric and asymmetric duos, instead of "true" and "other"? It just seems to play down the associations between some of them otherwise.Green Zubat (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I like this idea. --SnorlaxMonster 07:43, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


We should change the Mew duo to the Mew Trio because of "New Mewtwo". MasterZ (talk) 20:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

NO. That is speculation. Seeing as the Pokémon has no known name currently, it is better to wait rather than speculate and make assumptions from an image. Frozen Fennec 20:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't realize. I've learned to wait for more info to be released. MasterZ (talk) 01:53, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Mortality Duo

I added the Mortality Duo Xerneas and Yveltal to the page. If I understand this duo and Trio system, they belong here until Zygarde gets a version or two of its own? Also, Mortality Duo is more of a place holder until an official fan term is adopted. Mortality comes from Xerneas giving life and Yveltal taking life.

Anyways, I have ? down for 10 of their level up moves since that was how it is on their pages. When the levels are known, please feel free to change ? to the level. Yamitora1 (talk) 00:04, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

In that case wouldn't Life Duo be a better name since both involve life? Mortality involves death and only Yvetal deals with that. That and bonus for short word? --Sekuiyatalk 03:09, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Mortality does not 100% mean death, it means both life and death, to be living while at any moment capable of dying.
1. the state or condition of being subject to death; mortal character, nature, or existence.
2. The relative frequency of deaths in a specific population; death rate.
3. Mortal beings collectively; humanity.
4. Death or destruction on a large scale, as from war, plague, or famine.
5. Obsolete , death.
Plus, calling them the life duo doesn't make since, since only Xerneas is the life Pokémon. It would be the same as calling them the death duo, since only Yveltal is the destruction Pokémon. Like I said, Mortality Duo is the middle ground, it can mean life or death at the same time. You're either alive or dead, if your not mortal you're either dead or immortal. Also, although Xerneas gives eternal life, it still goes into a death like state as a tree for 1000 years, and Yveltal a cocoon when its life ends. With life comes death, with death comes life. Yamitora1 (talk) 08:58, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of Mortality Duo, they deserve their own article. --Dragon146 (talk) 04:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Apparently the Pokémon Wikia is listing them as the Life Trio and these two as the Gene Duo despite X & Y having no basis on DNA but the Cartesian system. However, it appears that most of that was written down before the games release, because they implicate that Xerneas is female and Yveltal male. Then again, its a yeah everything has to be taken with a sea of salt. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:56, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Is there not enough evidence to suggest that Zygarde belongs with Xerneas and Yveltal to form a trio (Aura trio or something)? We included Kyurem in the Tao group before B2W2. Dancing Dragonite (talk) 23:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Not my call, the staff seem to want to wait on that to be 100% confirmed. I added the trio to the Trio page, but it was removed, then readded but hidden until there is confirmation. At the moment, it looks like we only have a Duo in the eyes of the staff. Yamitora1 (talk) 01:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Interesting that that's how it works, and considering the naming (X, Y, Z), colour schemes, abilities, and level-up moves, it seems so obvious. But fair enough if we want the full confirmation. Dancing Dragonite (talk) 04:41, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Mortality Duo name

Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but has a fan term been dubbed and/or yet? As I stated when I "named" the duo, Mortality Duo was more of a place holder until such a event arises. Its been 3 months since the games came out, so enough time seems to have passed for some name to spread through the grapevine and inter webs.

I know the "Trio" has had Life, Axis (which I disapprove of) and various others thrown at them, but what of just the Duo itself?

Also, a reminder...Mortality does not 100% mean death. Its explained above. Yamitora1 (talk) 12:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Split into Mortality Duo? What's going on?

The Banner at the top of the page says "The contents of this article have been suggested to be split into Mortality duo."

What the heck is that suppose to mean, who suggested that and how does that make sense? Yamitora1 (talk) 06:42, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

It means someone wants Xerneas and Yveltal to have their own page about their duo, much like the the other concrete duos and trios have. Kai * the Arc Toraph 13:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Oh, ok I see now. The problem is that Mortality Duo was just a place holder I came up with until the official title for the Duo was generated by the fandom. Plus there is the issue that we don't even know if they are a Duo by themselves or a Trio with Zygarde.
Until (and even IF) "Mortality Duo" is widely accepted by the fandom, and the two are confirmed not to be a trio with Zygarde, then we could give them a article, but right not it would just be jumping the gun. Like you said, the other Duos are "Concrete" Yamitora1 (talk) 16:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Latios Moves

Not sure if this helps, but I have a lv 35 Latios and I took it to the Heart Scale lady and the moves she's offering to teach it are Memento, Dragon Pulse, Power Split, Telekinesis, Heal Pulse, Dragon Dance, Psywave, Heal Block, Helping Hand and Safeguard. It already knows Dragon Breath, Protect, Refresh and Luster Purge. I used some Rare candies on it, and at lv 40 it wanted to learn Zen Headbutt, It wanted to learn recover at lv 45, Psycho Shift at lv 50 and At 55 it wanted to learn Dragon Dance. So far the move list seems to be the same. Yamitora1 (talk) 07:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Aura Trio?

Pokemon Rumble World has achievements for completing each cover legendary trio - Land-Sea-Sky Ruler for capturing the Weather Trio, Time-Space Traveller for capturing the Creation Trio, Mediator of Truth and Ideals for capturing the Tao Trio... And Aura Traveller for capturing Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde. Doesn't this show that their official name will likely be the Aura Trio, and that Zygarde is recognized to be a part of the group? --Shadowater (talk) 02:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

First point: not neccesarily. Otherwise we would have land-sea-sky trio, time-space trio, and truth and ideals trio. Unless it says "aura trio" in-game, it's a moot point. Second point: I would certainly say that that would help bolster the case for them being a trio. --Abcboy (talk) 02:51, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
There really isn't any official titles for any of the trios, its all subjective based on language and is typically fan generated, thus each trio can have multiple different names.Yamitora1 (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Mortality "Duo" and Zygarde

I think it's fair to say that Zygarde is part of a trio with Xerneas and Yveltal. Obviously, it ties in with the others with the initial letter of its name. The name of the newest running anime season is "XY&Z", and Pokémon Rumble World has an achievement for catching all three, just like with all the other major legendary trios. One of its abilities is Aura Break, which no other Pokémon has, and it inverts the abilities of Xerneas and Yveltal.

I believe we can say that it's a trio. --Celadonkey (talk) 01:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

It's not considered part of the trio until either the games or the anime explicitly calls them a trio, with the lore and all. Just having them being grouped does not make it an explicit confirmation.--ForceFire 04:20, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think it has been explicitly stated that Ho-oh and Lugia is a duo, either. And no offense, to be honest, this doesn't make much sense. The evidence points toward them being a trio. --Celadonkey (talk) 15:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Both Ho-oh and Lugia resided at their respective tower, until the Brass Tower was destroyed. There's your lore about those two. Look at it this way. We didn't have Giratina be part of the Dragon Trio until Platinum was released and its connection to the other two were revealed. We didn't have KYurem as part of the Tao trio until B2W2 was released and it's connection to Reshiram and Kyurem were revealed. We're basically doing the same thing here.--ForceFire 15:49, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh, ok, makes a bit more sense. I still maintain that they are a trio given the evidence connecting the three together like the other trios, but I see your reasoning now.--Celadonkey (talk) 20:27, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Edit: What happens if there is no more lore connecting the Mortality Duo to Zygarde? Say, in five years? Official media has recognized it as a trio, but if there isn't anymore would it still not be a trio? Another, not as related thing. Why does the Mortality Duo not have its own page?--Celadonkey (talk) 20:32, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
If they don't expand and reveal the trio's connection, then nothing happens. Zygarde will be split from the group for as long as there is no connection between the three. As for why the duo does not have the page, because no one has started one on their userpage.--ForceFire 04:41, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
I was planning on making it by Novermber if any lore in SuMo is about Zygarde being connected to the two, but I'll make the page for now and wait if it will have to be changed.Animaltamer709:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

I believe some official sources have mentioned that 100% Zygarde is more powerful than Xerneas and Yveltal. Typically that should be the icing on the cake, however from past experience, the staff is generally stubborn and each has their own opinion when it comes to what qualifies as concrete proof of the internal structures of duos and trios. There is a lot of red tape and personal preference involved on here, some of it quite asinine but there is no way to change it and it does serve a purpose at the end of the day.

So a word of advice if you really feel strongly about the subject. Do you research, don't give up and come up with a strong argument. Because you'll face three counter arguments "Anime" "Game" "Official Media" It's one big Brock, paper Scizor contest when it comes to debating this topic. Like I said, I know from personal experience on a few separate occasions when it comes to the bureaucracy of Duos and Trios. I will say that the hierarchy of it mostly comes down to Official Media > Game > Anime. You'll have to mostly rely on Official Media with the Games backing you up, since the anime mostly only serves to keep Lugia on its throne since the whole concept of Trio masters is the weakest with it. I sometimes feel the only thing keeping Lugia in its title is popularity and its grandfathered into its status. Good luck Yamitora1 (talk) 10:12, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

If this is addressed towards me, then thanks! I'm going to do my best to find as much info as I can, because this is the one thing on Bulbapedia I feel strongly about. What do you mean by official media? --Celadonkey (talk) 12:26, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Official media is like the official website, guides and other stuff like that Yamitora1 (talk) 18:53, 9 October 2016 (UTC)