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How come we are not menacing that this is also a Unicorn? [[User:Random Chaos|Random Chaos]] 02:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

== Keldeo can't be based on a toy? ==

{{p|Banette}} was a plushie/stuffed doll.

{{p|Baltoy}} was based on a top.

So how is it so surprising a Pokemon can be based on a toy line? Pokemon can be based on ANYTHING, there are NO limitations whatsoever. So why not this? - [[User:050294|050294]] 09:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:While those WERE based on toys, they weren't based on specific toy franchises like this. It is based on a unicorn, which My Little Pony is also based on. Sure, Wargle was based by American culture, but on typical American culture. I'm not ruling out that Japanese Pokémon cannot have any American influence, but My Little Pony isn't something which is widely known enough for a foreigner to likely know. I did quickly research it, and while My Little Pony has reached Europe and China, there is no mention of Japan. Just because something looks like something else does not mean that it was based on it. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#444444">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::I guess I can see where you're coming from somewhat. However, just because it isn't widely known by foreigners does not mean it can't be made into a Pokemon. Origins are also used to point out resemblances as well. For example, <i>The plant on Venusaur's back vaguely <u>resembles</u> the giant flower Rafflesia."</i>, so saying that Keldeo resembles a My Little Pony doll really doesn't seem out of place. - [[User:050294|050294]] 10:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:::We generally prefer not to compare Pokémon's origins to other works of fiction. Venusaur's flower is likely to have been inspired by a Rafflesia. This Pokémon is highly unlikely to be inspired by My Little Pony. It is a musketeer and a unicorn. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#444444">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:54, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Wait. <i>"We generally prefer not to compare Pokémon's origins to other works of fiction."</i> ...An extremely large amount of Pokemon were based on fiction. In fact, <u>"The Three Musketeers"</u>, IS a work of fiction and even the Keldeo and the Unicorn are mythological, therefore fictional, beasts! This seems very hypocritical. :\ - [[User:050294|050294]] 10:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::Fiction was probably the wrong word to use. The difference is The Three Musketeers is a famous story that has been told for ages in many different countries. My Little Pony is just an American novelty toy franchise whose popularity lasted less than a decade. And no, the recent toys aren't anywhere near as big as they were. Everyone knows The Three Musketeers. Not everyone knows My Little Pony. Please know the difference. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 23:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Perhaps "copyrighted work" would have been a better phrase to use. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#444444">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well, I'll admit that Keldeo DOES indeed look of that kind of style to be based on My Little Pony, but that similarity it has is just for the physical design of it (Such as the legs and the muzzle), since every other aspect is explained by the Three Musketeers. [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 20:28, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

:I would say that it is based more on the Kirin of Chinese and Japanese Mythology, if not it borrows a good amount of elements that would make it look like a Kirin. --[[User:IndigoDratini|IndigoDratini]] 02:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)


=== A vote? ===
Should we maybe vote for this tidbit to be added back to the origins? - [[User:050294|050294]] 10:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

:Well, the toy line was based on unicorn and we already listed unicorn as one of the possible inspiration, so I don't think we should list both in the origins, one is enough. -- [[User:Dion20|Dion20]] 10:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
::A vote is a bit over-the-top. Just discuss. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#444444">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

== Wkikpedia ==

I found this at Wikipedia: ''If you take it and the rest of the Musketeer trio to the forest that Keldeo used to live at, the first three members of the Musketeer trio will teach it the move "Sword of Mystery". It is only obtainable through a future event.'' Though I need confirmation.--[[User talk:444Zekrom|<span style="color:brown">444</span>]][[User:444Zekrom|<span style="color:black">Z</span>]][[Zekrom|<span style="color:blue">ekrom</span>]] 12:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's already on the page. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 13:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
:: I mean the one about the Sword of Mystery. ''If you take it and the rest of the Musketeer trio to the forest that Keldeo used to live at, the first three members of the Musketeer trio will teach it the move "Sword of Mystery".''--[[User talk:444Zekrom|<span style="color:brown">444</span>]][[User:444Zekrom|<span style="color:black">Z</span>]][[Zekrom|<span style="color:blue">ekrom</span>]] 12:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Again, the fact that it learns the move is already in the moveset, under tutored moves. I don't know how to integrate the specific circumstances in which Keldeo learns that move into the article; I can't find any precedence for this type of scenario anywhere else. --[[User:AndyPKMN|Andy<sup>P</sup><sub>K</sub><sup>M</sup><sub>N</sub>]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 16:14, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
::::I think if someone is interested in that move, it'll click on the move's name and read its page, where's already written the move can only be learned by having the three musketeer along. Also, there's a '*' at the tutoring move entry where it reads "Fateful encounter only". If someone is interested in that move, it'll search Bulbapedia for 'Fateful encounter' and reach the events page (although there's no info about Gen V events, yet). But, for those who are too lazy to do that, maybe it'd be better to show that sentence explicitly in Keldeo's page, but I don't know where to put it... Maybe it should go below the tutoring table. --[[User:Blow|<span style="color:blue">Blow</span>]] '''([[User talk:Blow|<span style="color:green">話す</span>]])''' 22:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

== Name ==
Checked the JP TRADEMARK database this time. I'm thinking 'Keldeo' needs to be Keldio or Kerudio.  ディ is normally "di", like ディスコ (Disco). [[User:Pokejungle|Pokejungle]] 06:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

: Type in http://keldeo.com/, it comes up with a placeholder and this text; ''This Internet address is being managed by Melbourne IT DBS for one of the world's top brands.'' Same if you use Victini, Kyurem, Meloetta or Genesect in its place. That seems to be strong evidence towards a intended romanization (''especially'' since "Kyurem" ''is'' in the JP TM database), seeing as how neither "Keldio" or "Kerudio" lead anywhere meaningful. [[User:Frugali|Frugali]] 23:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Possible origin == 
In greek mythology it says that horses were the desendents/creations of Posidon the god who ruled the sea. Does anyone else see a conection?--'''[[User:EpicShadow|<span style="color:black">Epic</span>]][[User talk:EpicShadow|<span style="color:blue">Shadow</span>]]'''  18:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

That sounds sensible, but I think it is based on a Unicorn, personally. [[User:UnovaMusketeerTrio|UnovaMusketeerTrio]] 19:24, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion on the potential origin: The Qilin / Kirin traditionally walks on water and can cross blades of grass without crushing them, is also thought of as the Japanese or Chinese equivalent of the unicorn in Western culture. The Kelpie is a ghost horse, but Keldeo's type is water and fighting instead of ghost and fighting. It seems that since Keldeo is largely white (a trait of the kelpie) but also has qualities that do not line up with the kelpie, there may be a dual origin here? [[User:Dev chieftain|Dev chieftain]] 01:07, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== No Ice Beam ? ==

Keldeo is the only Water-typed Pokémon to not learn Ice Beam (beside Magikarp, obviously and the Seismitoad line for some reason. It's strange, especially for a legendary. It may be a good piece of trivia to add, when we'll be allowed to do it =P [[User:Xel|Xel]] 02:08, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
:Since you just pointed out four Pokémon that are exceptions, I don't think it's notable (you could probably ignore Magikarp, but the tadpoles mess it up). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:22, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

== Special or Physical? ==
Its Pokédex entry said that it excels using leg moves while battling, but its base Sp. Attack, which happens to be 129 is almost twice as high as its base Attack stat, which is 72. Maybe this could be added to the Trivia but I dunno. [[User:PKMNChamp|PKMNChamp]] 10:01, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
:No, we generally avoid trivia like that. Also, as you can see in the site header, we are not adding any trivia at the moment. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I think it's notable, there is Trivia exactly the same for Yanmega, where it's Pokedex entry would lead to believe it's physical attack is higher than it's Special, but it isn't... [[User:Buizel1991|Buizel1991]] 00:20, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

== Art work ==

I was just wondering why there's only a sprite picture for Keldeo and not his artwork? Can somebody confirm if this is his official art work or no? http://solarblade.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/keldeo.png?w=246&h=300 --[[User:Spongeenthusiast|Spongeenthusiast]] 01:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
:Chances are we won't be seeing artwork until next year. Until then, all art is nothing but fan art. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:45, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
::[http://fav.me/d3438uy Here you go.] <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 01:47, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you :) --[[User:Spongeenthusiast|Spongeenthusiast]] 01:49, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

== Current Events ==

I have made this page a current event based on the recent announcement. [[User:Mattrules161|Mattrules161]] 12:50, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
:That template is designed to warn people that the page is going to be changing massively as we get more information about the subject. This page isn't going to, as we've already got the vast majority of the information from the code of the games when they were released in Japan over a year ago. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 20:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I was on the official site and apparently keldeo will be level 15 here's a link http://www.pokemon.co.jp/ex/keldeo/ {{unsigned|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP}}
:Hey that's the movie number! Trivia anyone? :P [[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] 22:25, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::Added it. Also noted that the 15th was the day Keldeo was revealed. [[User:Pringles|プリングルズ/品客薯片/ప్రింగిల్స్]] 00:39, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

== Pokédex Pro ==

I was looking at the japanese site for pokedex pro when at the bottom of the page it featured keldeo in its usual form, but what caught my eye was that surrounding keldeo's hooves was a cool water rippling design.So is it worth being in the trivia that it is the first pokémon revealed to feature this?
Sorry forgot to sign my comment[[User:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP]] ([[User talk:VENUS,MEGA,SCEPT,TORTE,SERP|talk]]) 15:39, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
:Pokédex 3D Pro isn't out yet, it could be an effect that's used for all water types. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 20:34, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

== So there is basically no difference between Keldeo's forms? ==

I've been trying to find out, but without the game and Keldeo itself, I can't find out. It seems odd to me that Keldeo would get a form change if it knows Secret Sword - an attack available to it in BW, before the form existed - yet gets no new stats, ability, type, nothing --[[User:Shadowater|Shadowater]] ([[User talk:Shadowater|talk]]) 00:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

:Well, other than the fact that Keldeo's Resolute Forme looks different (and cooler), no. Same stats, same ability, same typing, same moveset. So basically it's just an aesthetic change from BW. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 00:39, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

== English Forme Names ==

So, thanks to Pokedex 3D Pro having multilingual capabilities, we now know that Keldeo's formes are known as Ordinary Forme and Resolute Forme in English. This is all that is revealed via the multilingual feature. Thanks to Serebii for the information. --'''[[User:Trickyb|Tricky]][[User Talk:Trickyb|B]] 00:37, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
:Please read the green banner on the top of the page. "Use reliable sources and do not steal from other websites." [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] ([[User talk:Ataro|talk]]) 00:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)