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I see this in most places, but a lot of people seem to think that Lugia dwelt atop Brass Tower, and Ho-Oh on Tin Tower BEFORE the fire.  Tin Tower may be the new home of Ho-Oh, but it's traditional home was atop Brass Tower. Still, most people think that Lugia would roost on the Golden-leafed Brass Tower and Ho-oh on the Silver-leafed Tin Tower.  The Brass Tower, based off the Kinkaku-ji (the GOLDEN Tower which bears the GOLD statue of the Houou bird), was definitely the roost of Ho-Oh.  If anyone has proof to support the idea that Lugia roosted on Brass Tower and Ho-oh roosted on Tin Tower, please go ahead and change it back.    ~Kumori Satosuke
:I always figured that it was Ho-Oh on Brass, but I haven't played GS for years (one of the reasons we need GSDS), and I don't remember the text. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">TTE</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#0000FF">chidna</span>]]''' 03:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:Tin is silver or something similar. Makes sense to have Lugia here. He seems to prefer the Whirl Islands over a tower.. I'll boot up my old Gold to clarify this, that is, if the save battery didn't die on me. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">TinaTheKirlia</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|<span style="color:#E75480;">♪</span>]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|<span style="color:#E75480;">☆</span>]]</sup> 03:45, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Here I have the proof so no one will revert my changes. I was playing crystal and I found the errors. I originally put this in the Talk Page of Brass tower, but anyway. It is what sage Masa (of the wise trio) says:

"In the past, there were two nine-tier towers here.
The BRASS TOWER, which was said to awaken POKéMON, and the [[Tin Tower|TIN TOWER]], where POKéMON were said to rest.
The view from the tops of the TOWERS must have been magnificent.
At the time, [[Lugia (Pokémon)|an immense, silver-colored POKéMON]] was said to make its roost atop the BRASS TOWER.
Howerver...
About 150 years ago, {{tt|a lightning bolt|It could symbolize Raikou}} struck {{tt|one of the TOWERS|The Brass Tower}}.
It was engulfed in {{tt|flames|Flames that could symbolize Entei}} that raged for three days.
{{tt|A sudden downpour|The rain could symbolize Suicune}} finally put out the blaze.
And that is how the BURNED TOWER came to be."

so there you have it. '''[[User:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#008800">h</span><span style="color:#000000">fc</span>]][[User talk:Hfc2x|<span style="color:#000000">2</span><span style="color:#008800">X</span>]]''' 22:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ho-oh in HGSS? ==

I got the rainbow wing after defeating team rocket at the goldenrod radio tower. I agot to the top of the tin tower. Only to find nothing there. Am I supposed to do something before I can get Ho-oh? ---> [[User:223david|<span style="color:#D42E2E;">'''223'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/223david|<span style="color:#B69E00;">☆</span>]][[User talk:223david|<span style="color:#2E2ED4;">'''Dåv]d'''</span>]]''' 11:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:Get the Clear Bell and defeat the Kimono Girls. Also, look at the wlakthroughs rather than asking for game help on talk pages. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 04:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
==Name change?==
A hands-on preview article at IGN talking about an English build( not sure if they mean the final one, probably not) mentions the “Bell Tower” and the autumn leaves on the Bell Path or something leading up to it. I thought it was some mistaken reference to the Sprout Tower, then I noticed that there are clearly no autumn leaves in pics of Gen IV Violet City, and stumbled across the reference to the pun/double-meaning of this Tower’s name in Japanese. The author explicitly says that he cannot read Japanese, so he couldn’t have gotten the name by translating it himself. It seems that, if not in the final version, then at least in a preview build being shown to the press, Nintendo has opted for the other of the two possible translations. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 04:00, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
:ROM hacking has confirmed Bell Tower as the new name of Tin Tower, along with "Bell Tower Path." Just a heads up, might wanna protect this article until Sunday. --[[User:The Great Butler|The Great Butler]] 02:57, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
::I '''''glare''''' at them.
::{{jwp|スズ}} = {{wp|tin}}, the element.
::{{jwp|すず}} = {{wp|suzu}}, the bell.
::The tower's name is スズのとう, not すずのとう, in Japanese. I can't see ''why'' they would ever translate it as "Bell Tower". It was Tin Tower ten years ago. I'm calling this a [[Charine]]-sized incident.
::Why the hell can't NoA just look at the damn wikis? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#80964B">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C4E673">chidna</span>]]''' 09:21, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:::"''Similarly to the Brass Tower's, the Tin Tower's Japanese name, スズのとう Suzu no Tō, refers to both a metal and a type of bell, examples of which appear in the Tower itself.''" - Isn't that your answer? Because "スズ" is also katakana for 'suzu'. Just because they use hiragana for 'tō'...eh. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 16:40, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Seeing as the [[Brass Tower]] is always referred to as the Burned Tower, I think this new name should be treated similarly &mdash; as an alternate name rather than the true intended name. Just throwing that out there, as besides butthurt over the name change there's no real suggestions so far for how the wiki should deal with this. I think the title should remain Tin Tower, and the opening sentence should say something like:
"The '''Tin Tower''', generally referred to in [[Generation IV]] as the '''Bell Tower''', is a location in [[Johto]] in [[Ecruteak City]]."
That way we could acknowledge the name change whilst keeping the name the fanbase approves of. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
:Considering that "Ho-Oh flew away when the Burned Tower burned" would sound stupid, I agree. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#80964B">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#C4E673">chidna</span>]]''' 18:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== I CAN BELIEVE IN WHAT I'VE JUST SEEN! ==

THE TIN TOWER IS RENAMED AS "BELL TOWER" IN AMERICAN HGSS. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S POSSIBLE. BUT IT'S ONE OF THE MAJOR NAMECHANGES IN POKEMON EVER! WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THE PAGE NOW?! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:01, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you for that news, surely no one mentioned it earlier, and surely the page was not protected appropriately. <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sup>❄</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#CCDDFF;"><sub>❅</sub></span>]]</span> 15:41, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
::Hmm. I wonder what Viz will call it in [[PS109|volume 8 of ''Adventures'']]... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 12:40, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

== I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY NOA. ==

I REALLY DO. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

== You sure it's Bell Tower? ==

Bell Tower could be a mistake in the location text. Tin Tower is the official name. Naming errors are common, for example, In FireRed and LeafGreen, the Fame Checker called Janine Charine. And Kiyo was called Koichi. We didn't change their names did we?[[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 14:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
A man in the Hotel Grand Lake even called it the Tin Tower. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 14:13, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

:Those names were only used once in those games, and were for relatively minor characters in those games. On the other hand, EVERY MENTION of the Tin Tower in HGSS refers to it as the Bell Tower, and it's one of THE MOST prominent locations in those games. It's also just as accurate of a translation. Like it or not, it appears Nintendo fully intends for the new name to be Bell Tower. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 19:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

:: The name Tin Tower isn't even mentioned once. Bell Tower is what it's called everywhere. And the Japanese name can be translated as either bell or tin, so it's still correct. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 19:11, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Tin was a mistranslation. It was always supposed to be Bell. スズ (suzu) in katakana means the element {{wp|tin}}, as you can see {{jwp|スズ|here}}. すず (suzu) in hiragana means bell, the kunyomi reading of the kanji 鈴, which also can be read as れい  (rei), りん (rin), or りょう (ryō), the onyomi readings.
:::The reason that they used katakana instead of hiragana for suzu, when "no tou" (のとう) is in hiragana, is beyond me. Whatever the case, it was made ''clear'' in Crystal that suzu was meant as "bell", considering the Clear Bell uses the katakana suzu rather than the hiragana one. And with the Tidal Bell and Bellchime Trail in HGSS, they could not translate it any other way and have it make sense anymore. Sure, they could've called Bellchime Trail the Tinfoil Path, but... no. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:47, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
::::Actually, I believe the Japanese developers intended the tower's name to be Tin Tower, but wanted the "Tin" part to be also a pun on the word "Bell". I mean, "Tin Tower" makes more sense when you consider that the other tower's original name was "Brass Tower". Moreover, I always thought that the metals the towers were made of were specifically chosen so that they would reference the version names: tin is silver colored, so it could be a reference to Pokémon Silver (or the Pokémon that used to rest in the opposite tower, Lugia, which is Silver's mascot); whereas brass looks somewhat golden, so it works as a reference to Pokémon Gold (or the Pokémon that used to rest in the opposite tower, Ho-oh, which is Gold's mascot). NoA probably changed the tower's name to Bell Tower because the pun didn't work in English, and/or because they thought that the name sounded too close to "Twin Towers". - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] 16:05, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

== Map Error ==

The picture of the 5th floor map from GSC is slightly off in the lower left corner. --[[User:RECGameboy2|RECGameboy2]] ([[User talk:RECGameboy2|talk]]) 21:17, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

== Items Error ==

The Carbos and Full Restore items on the 5th floor  were not only available in Crystal, as I've just obtained them in Gold. I added 'G=yes', but cannot confirm whether or not they also exist in Silver.
It isn't unlikely, however, that they do exist in Silver, so I added the incomplete at the top of the page requesting confirmation of item locations in Gold/Silver. Figured this would be a good place to mention that. I'll keep updating with Gold confirmations. [[User:FireSBurnsmuP|FireSBurnsmuP]] ([[User talk:FireSBurnsmuP|talk]]) 21:35, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
:Max Potion on 4f also confirmed in Gold. Looks like it's just the hidden items that need confirmation, though. The others are all either present or not, matching what the page says. Well, hopefully someone can confirm the hidden items' existence in Silver. [[User:FireSBurnsmuP|FireSBurnsmuP]] ([[User talk:FireSBurnsmuP|talk]]) 22:06, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
::The hidden items are also in Silver version. [[User:Adamws|Adamws]] ([[User talk:Adamws|talk]]) 04:31, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

== About getting Ho-oh in Crystal, can the 3 beasts be defeated or traded? ==

It says they have to be captured in Crystal to get Ho-oh, but what happens if they're traded or defeated? Will Ho-oh still appear? [[User:Unowninator|¿¡Unowninator?!]] ([[User talk:Unowninator|talk]]) 00:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

:I know traded is a no go. Not sure about if you KO them. [[User:TwilightHylian|TwilightHylian]] ([[User talk:TwilightHylian|talk]]) 04:42, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

== Incorrect image ==

Something's wrong with this image. In the left bottom corner there's a jump ledge that leads nowhere, it should be above the plaform it is adjacent to. I found more correct image here: [https://www.serebii.net/pokearth/maps/johto-c/36-5f.png]--'''[[User:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#CC0000">Rocket</span>]] [[User talk:Team Rocket Grunt|<span style="color:#666666">Grunt</span>]]''' 16:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)<br>
[[File:Tin Tower 5F GSC.png]]
:There, it should be fixed now. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 08:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)