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==Game Counterpart==
This page belongs in the anime section of the game character. We have it for almost all the other game characters that appear in the anime so why should this be any different. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 14:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:Because he's different. He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. It would be just like having Ash as a subsection of {{ga|Red}}'s article. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No he isn't. Jun is basically the same character. Unlike Ash and Red who have some differences. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 14:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::Shut up, he is! He's a [[Cross-canon counterparts|Cross-canon counterpart]]. We have articles on all Cross-canon counterparts: {{Ash}}, {{Gary}}, {{jo|Jimmy}}, {{jo|Marina}}, [[Vincent]] {{an|May}} and {{an|Dawn}}, we also have articles on ALL manga counterparts, then why not on Jun, too? He's got a FULL appearance, unlike {{ga|Silver}}, [[Brendan]] and [[Lucas]], so he fully deserves a specific article. He is also a MAIN game rival (unlike [[Wally]], who didn't appear in anime, but if he did, he would deserve nothing more than an anime subsection in the game article). Remember for your life - Cross-canon counterpart = Different Character! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::They can only be cross-canon counterparts if one of the characters are based off on the other. But Jun is exactly the same as his game character. Personality, Pokémon, everything. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 14:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::No, that's not true. Any MAIN character counterpart is considered different (except the mentioned three, whose appearances weren't long enough) and please, don't say anything about his personality. That's what we call gun-jumping. We don't even really know what Pokémon will he posess. Rival counterpart = Different character. It's a thing you just have to remember. Don't act like you know more than me about Pokémon. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::We don't even know if Jun will be appearing again. And even if Jun is different so should the countless number of game characters that appeared in the show. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 14:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::{{jo|Jimmy}} also appeared for only one episode (though I agree that he SHOULD NOT be put to the template). So, your logic fails. He's an Inter-Media Counterpart not matter if you like it or not. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:22, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I was not talking about Jimmy. I'm talking about all the gym leaders, game villains, Elite 4, heck even [[Cheryl]] and [[Mira]]. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 14:24, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Then why does {{jo|Jimmy}} have an article about him in your opinion? He's just an one-time character, so shouldn't he be just a subsection of {{ga|Gold}} according to your logic? The Gym Leaders, Villains, Elite 4 and Other Characters you mentioned are actually the same characters in all canons they appear. It's generally accepted that only counterparts of MAIN game characters count as separate characters. Main characters = Game protagonists, Rivals (the characters you can name, in general). It's a generally-accepted standard and Jun meets it. So, don't argue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:29, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Jmath does have a point, Dawn's mother doesn't have an article, and she's pretty important, I would even say more important than Jun, because Johanna has a relation to Dawn. I don't see why Jun would deserve his own article. When Johanna even doesn't. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::FAIL. Johanna is not a MAIN game characters, not a rival or protagonist, she is just a mother. She may be important in the anime, in the games she's not. So, her anime incarnation DOES NOT deserve an article. Your argument failed like a bomb in ocean. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Jimmy isn't exactly same as Gold. They're still different just as Ash and Red are different. And by your logic, May and Dawn should go also be in the games page. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 14:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, they shouldn't. Because they are protagonists/rivals. My main criteria is not the importance of the character in the other canon, name difference or design differences but rather his ROLE IN THE GAME. This is a criteria everyone here agrees with. You're arguing with me for no reason. And you keep losing. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:40, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: Professor Oak, Professor Birch, Professor Elm, Professor Rowan also don't have their own articles (And argue all you want but Professor OAK IS IMPORTANT IN  THE GAMES). And plus what you said makes no sense, how is a parent/relative less important than a game rival? Add to the fact we have articles of COTD's and still other characters don't have their own articles. SO YOUR LOGIC FAILS. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:44, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, it does not fail. The Professors are important, but they're not MAIN characters. And saying that protagonist's parent who just sits in house and sometimes enter Contests is more important that the game rival is just RIDICULOUS. Please, don't insist that you know anything about the things you have no idea about. It's what I hate the most in people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Then why the hell do we have articles of people who only showed up once in the anime when these characters I mentioned showed up more than once. See that doesn't make sense. Sure argue I don't know what the hell I'm talking about but you don't either. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 14:50, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Please, leave COTDs away. They are completely unrelated here. They are completely unrelated to the game characters we are currently talking about. If they appeared in the game, they would have one articles on all their incarnations, but they NEVER appear in the games, so they have only one article - about their one and only incarnation - the anime one. So sorry, you fail again. Your reasons are one of the most stupid ones I've heard in awhile. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:54, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::IT MAKES NO SENSE. Why is Jun so important, just because he's a damn rival protaginist? If Jun appears only once he's just akin to a COTD. So he get's his own article (just like COTD's). Again it makes no sense. Jun could not important at all, his anime team mirrors his team in the games, which I can't say the same about Professor Oak, Johanna, Professor Elm, and blah blah blah, because they have differences between the two. Professor Oak never had Dragonite in the games, and Johanna never had a Glameow in the games (she only had a Kangaskhan).You know I can understand that it would make some articles with little information(a paragraph at the most). But remember COTD's information really small (just pointing to the connection not importance). And besides if Johanna's game information was so damn important, it would show up on this page http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mom. And when I pointed to the COTDs, you totally missed the point. See your arguement is if they didn't have a important role in the games they don't deserve their own article. Okay I get it but why is it when they aren't important to the anime they deserve their own article. Isn't that a double standard? --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:14, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::He may be a COTD in the anime but in the game he's a MAIN character and all his Cross-canon incarnations count as separate characters. It's you who started mixing random characters to this. They have no bearing here. They're a separate issue. And the fact that they possess different Pokémon than in the games doesn't reflect anything. It's about the characters, not their Pokémon. Please leave non-protagonist characters alone, they're a separate issue. And do you realise that the thing about COTDs you mentioned are actually an argument IN FAVOUR of having an article on Jun. You're contradicting yourself. I could use your arguements against you if I wanted it, but I don't feel like doing it. You have weak and newbish reasons. I'm sick of debating with people like you. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Like me? Damn if you are so sure you know anything about me, write my biography. And no I wasn't contradicting myself I was making a connection. It's only a contradiction when I'm adamant about Jun not having an article. In fact I have no problem with it, the problem I do have is that while Jun has it's own articles, certain characters don't. And hell if COTD was any indication of anything, it would mean we would have articles about Johanna, Professor Oak because hell they showed up in the anime, don't they deserve their own anime articles. Who cares that they have game information? And again it's all double standards. Oh but I suppose YOU don't have a problem with it.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:32, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: I forgot, when I said Jun could be like COTD, I meant that it "should" be on his game page, just like Professor Oak, and Johanna. But again double standards.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 15:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Adding to the fire, but, seriously, the answer to the problem is in his name. If his game article is going to be called "Pearl (game)", then "Jun (anime)" should deserve his own page, BECAUSE he's not called Pearl. GLs, the five partners, all direct game references with no name changes don't deserve their own separate page.

HOWEVER. Jun's game name defaults as Pearl. He is not Pearl. He is Jun (and hopefully, in the future, Barry). He should get his own paged based on the fact that he isn't called his default game name, just like Ash isn't called Red and Gary isn't called Green/Blue. Riley will still be Riley, Winona was still Winona. Pearl isn't Jun, and it isn't fair to designate him under Pearl simply because nothing changed about him personally. They'll act the same, but Gary acted the same way as his game C/P all through Kanto, and if this was then, Gary still would have gotten his own page. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 15:45, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
: I have no problem with Gary or Ash from the anime because it's obvious they are slightly different then their Game counterparts. When we have Jun who is exactly like his game counterpart only his name is different is the problem. Jun looks exactly like Pearl (game) and most likely has the same team (3 of his 6 are). Forget it....... I don't care anymore, have your weird Bulbapedia format, where a game rival is more important than a game/anime article character is related to an anime article character.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 16:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Okay, here's why he's not under Pearl's page. ==

Because '''''he's not Pearl any more than Gary Oak is Blue'''''. Remember, Gary was as much a jerk as Blue. They even both said "smell ya later" I believe. Gary's team may not be based on Blue's in any games, but so what? What's to say Jun's last three Pokémon aren't something completely random?

He has the same clothes. Great. He has the same team. Great. Gary has the same clothes as Blue in both RGBY and FRLG and he's got a separate article.

The title of the episode is ''Rival Trainer Jun Appears!'' not ''Rival Trainer Pearl Appears!''. His name is Jun. Not Pearl. Just like how {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not {{ga|Gold}}, and {{jo|Marina}}, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}, appeared in the ''[[Legend of Thunder]]'' special. Brendan and Lucas weren't given separate names nor even much of an appearance, but Jun appears in an episode titled after and focusing on him. Jimmy and Marina do the same in LOT, though they didn't exactly name the thing.

Essentially, though, here's what it is: Game protagonists and rivals who appear in the anime get a separate page for their anime iteration if their role is large enough. {{ga|Silver}} appeared in the opening for LOT, and nothing else (plus {{an|Silver}} is that old guy who everyone <s>knows</s> thinks is [[Ash Ketchum|the idiot]]'s dad anyway). {{ga|Brendan}} was in the opening segment of three movies, but did little more than send out one Pokémon and order it to use a move. Whoo, give the man a page. No really. He's not notable enough in the anime for his own page. {{ga|Lucas}} does even less; he battled only ONCE in a movie opening.

Plus, well, with the exception of May and Dawn, all of the game protagonists and antagonists have different names from their anime counterparts. {{tt|Satoshi|Ash}}, not Red. {{tt|Shigeru|Gary}}, not {{tt|Green|Blue}}. {{tt|Kenta|Jimmy}}, not Gold. Marina, not {{tt|Crys|Kris}}. {{tt|Jun|And he's gonna be protected from moving to an English name until next year or longer!}}, not Pearl.

In closing.
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'''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks, TTE! Anyway, would you mind unblocking the page. There are things I would change. There is no proof that he's from Twinleaf. I would also delete the template. There is no proof that he'll be a recurring rival. I know the page was created pretty early but I'm a bit sick of the fact that Bulbapedia Admins block EVERYTHING lately. The blocked pages are usually the ones I want to edit. It sometimes feels that the admins simply want to use their powers. Please unblock the page, you won't regret it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
::Eh, it won't be too long, and being that he's based on a main game character... And besides, Gary appeared once every, what, eight thousand episodes? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

I found a pic that has him centered, rther than b all  the way to the lef.  Shouldn't we use that pic?--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 18:34, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Anyway, we are changing the image once the episode airs. No need to use the preview images. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 18:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's this pic.  Much better, right?--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 18:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:No such image exists. No one is supposed to upload images for you anyway. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 18:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
There was an image that was recently on
:That's my pic! and it's PNG!!!!<span style="font-family:Calibri">~[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#AAAAFF;">Ποκε</span><span style="color:#FFAAAA;">μανιακ</span><span style="color:#999999;">α0β</span>]]</span> 18:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it's very good Luc--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 18:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:We will have more choice of pics when the episode airs, not now. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 18:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I see..Okay, And I forgot your name Kuki! dang it,<span style="font-family:Calibri">~[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#AAAAFF;">Ποκε</span><span style="color:#FFAAAA;">μανιακ</span><span style="color:#999999;">α0β</span>]]</span> 18:48, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kuki's name is Scott--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small><sup>☆</sup></small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 20:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring character ==

Why is there the [[Template:animecharacters]] there? there is no proof yet that he will make a reappearance.<span style="font-family:Calibri">~[[User:Pokemaniac102|<span style="color:#AAAAFF;">Ποκε</span><span style="color:#FFAAAA;">μανιακ</span><span style="color:#999999;">α0β</span>]]</span> 01:41, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:In the preview there is :]--[[User:David aipom|<span style="color:blue">''デビッド Aipom ''</span>]] [[User talk:David aipom|<span style="color:green"><small>(Speaks To Me):] 秘密の通信  </small></span>]] 17:07, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Image ==

What do you guys say in changing the current image in the page with ? [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:The current one is better quality. I oppose the replacement. <sup>[[user:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">Cho</span>]][[user talk:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">col</span>]][[special:contributions/chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">ate</span>]]</sup> 20:55, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::Changing the format to .png when it's already been a .jpg doesn't do it anything but make it a bigger file size. If you took the screenshot yourself, take it again and save it as a .png the first time. <sup>[[user:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">Cho</span>]][[user talk:chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">col</span>]][[special:contributions/chocolate|<span style="color:#6D351A;">ate</span>]]</sup> 21:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I changed the screenshot. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 21:38, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Jmath's one is of slightly better quality, but really, it's hardly noticeable, even at full size. I don't think it matters which one goes up. --[[User:Martonimos|<font color="#E00000">Martonimos</font>]] 22:11, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::The current one is also too plain and nothing special. This one at least is more action packed. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 20:50, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring phrase ==

He says one thing over and over again in the episode, whenever he runs into Ash and lost the battle to Ash. Not knowing any Japanese, I turn to others out there to ask what it means [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

:You mean the "Nandio, Nandio, Nandatendio" or something like that? '''[[Pachirisu (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#FFD700">パチリス</span>]][[User:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFA500">の恋人</span>]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#E49B0F">12</span>]]''' 01:43, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::That's the one [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

==Main==
Is he a part of the group, because he's still with Ash and them going to Canalave when he already has the badge, and he's been with them ever since his first appearence. [[User:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF7070">Happi</span>]][[User talk:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF8000">zel</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|<span style="color:#660099">pom</span>]] 14:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:Probably just another [[Todd Snap|Todd]]. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:03, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

oh yeah i fergot about that, haha sorry [[User:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF7070">Happi</span>]][[User talk:Happizelpom|<span style="color:#FF8000">zel</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|<span style="color:#660099">pom</span>]] 15:12, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::Of course.....maybe not...[[User:Kpokefan|<span style="color:#C0C0C0;">'''K'''</span>]][[User talk:Kpokefan|<span style="color:#50C878;">'''P'''</span>]][[User:Kpokefan/Missions|<span style="color:#FFA6C9;">'''F'''</span>]] 18:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Page for his Empoleon? ==

I feel his Empoleon deserves a page. It is his main battling Pokémon, and has been seen in 3 episodes so far. So I think it deserves a page. [[User:Dilophosaurus Rex|Dilophosaurus Rex]] 18:09, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
:So has Aoi's Shinx but it doesn't have a page. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 05:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
::It's not about how many times it appears, it's about how much of a significance the Pokémon is.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small><sup>☆</sup></small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 05:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

:::For all we know, this guy'll never appear again.  Then again, he could also reveal himself as {{si|Kenny}}'s brother and that the Empoleon is actually borrowed from Kenny, meaning the Empoleon could [[Kenny's Prinplup|already have an article and we don't even know it]].  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:11, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

::::well I doubt anyone thought that Morrison would appear again and he did, plus he seems to be more signifacint than other charecters, but in this discussion I have to say that we'll have to wait until he appears again----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Palmer ==

when we put palmer there in realtives........[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 04:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
:Not yet. It needs to be confirmed in the anime first. Although the character is based on {{ga|Pearl}}, not all aspects might be carried across. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 04:36, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Protect? ==

Before the Heracross mania begins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 12:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Anime section ==

Could someone *cough*an admin*cough* fix the main body of the article to say he ''did'' appear in Dp110 and 111? [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 11:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Again, why protected? ==

Because someone can jump with Barry or Damion? Come on! No one will do it. The people here know that unconfirmed information SHALL NOT be posted here. So, I think there is NO REASON to hold this page protected until April. He may reappear 5 times until then. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
: It's not hurting anything. Yeah, everyone out there wants to jump on and call him Barry but as far as we know, he's not going to have {{tt|any major apperances|although a scan claiming to be from K-Zone claimed he'll appear around Snowpoint, after which Ash's Torkoal will evolve....}}as he's still training on Iron Island. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 17:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
::You know that scan had been a fake right? [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 17:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That's why I said claiming and claimed... We know that it's not [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Pokemons ==
I'm can to make a page for Jun others pokemons (Roserade,Staraptor and Heracross)?
[[User:Pokedigo|Pokedigo]] 16:56, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Nope. Just having one for Empoleon is fine. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 16:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Okay why? ==

Why is it being protected until April 5th? That's a ridiculously long length. I would understand if you wanted to protect it on March 15 to April 5th, but not now. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 07:17, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Jun=Barry ==

A new episode title hinted that his name is Barry. Quite frankly, I don't know who else it would belong to, so can we unlock this and change it to match the dub title? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 14:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

:Dude regarding this I have had battles with the admins for half my life here. And however good proofs you may find , even if Satoshi Tjari comes and confirms it they will always say "Wait till it airs". --'''[[User:Prongs|<span style="font-family:Comic Sands MS; color:gold;">Prongs</span>]] <sub>'''([[User Talk:Prongs|<span style="color:black;">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|<span style="color:black;">Contributions</span>]])'''</sub> 14:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::Its better to be consistent. If they make an exception just for this one, every other page has to get this treatment, meaning total breakdown. [[User:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[User talk:J-J-M|<span style="color: #000099">'''J'''</span>]]'''-'''[[Special:Contributions/J-J-M|<span style="color: #000033">'''M'''</span>]] 15:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Cant imagine TTE and specially DETH allowing it. --'''[[User:Prongs|<span style="font-family:Comic Sands MS; color:gold;">Prongs</span>]] <sub>'''([[User Talk:Prongs|<span style="color:black;">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|<span style="color:black;">Contributions</span>]])'''</sub> 15:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Didn't [[Morrison]] get this treatment as well? --[[User:Jonouchi|Jonouchi]] 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::Wasnt here then. --'''[[User:Prongs|<span style="font-family:Comic Sands MS; color:gold;">Prongs</span>]] <sub>'''([[User Talk:Prongs|<span style="color:black;">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|<span style="color:black;">Contributions</span>]])'''</sub> 15:27, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::OMG, that's one of the examples of when the "Until it airs" policy fails. The admins believed the episode title, yet they don't believe that the character would be named Barry? Come on, that's just RIDICULOUS! --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:14, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It should be verified by the title, though...--'''[[User:Prmatt11|<span style="color:#FE2E9A">''Mew''</span>]] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:49, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Maxim, you have to live with it, even though it's obvious, we still have to wait.--[[User:Force Fire|<font color="AAAAFF">FF</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|<font color="FFAAAA"><small>edits</small></font>]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="999999"><small>talk</small></font>]]) 12:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::But this is IRRATIONAL. As irrational as standing in for admins' stupid decisions... That simply makes no sense and it's pathetic. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::That's the rules.--[[User:Force Fire|<font color="AAAAFF">FF</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|<font color="FFAAAA"><small>edits</small></font>]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="999999"><small>talk</small></font>]]) 13:02, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Every rule has an exception, which clinche it. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:33, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::I agree that at this point, it seems ridiculous to protect the article until dub airing. "Barry" is in the title, no other character in the episode could possibly be named "Barry" and going by the list of default game names "Barry" is the English equivalent of "Jun". I mean... I'd say that if we try running it by the [[WP:Duck test|Duck test]], it's pretty conclusive what Jun's English name is. --[[User:Sato|Sato]] 05:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I'd like to change it too. But if we did, then we'd have to do it for everyone. Besides, it won't kill you to wait a couple of weeks. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 06:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I hate Bulbapedia's "wait until it airs" rule...that's the reason why I don't depend on this site anymore...it's not updated...and I'm pretty sure many people feel the same.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small><sup>☆</sup></small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 06:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::I don't, the rule to me is pretty simple. Now run along children we got nine days before DP101 airs.--[[User:Force Fire|<font color="AAAAFF">FF</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|<font color="FFAAAA"><small>edits</small></font>]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="999999"><small>talk</small></font>]]) 06:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::What if the episode airs and the title happens to be different? What if Jun isn't Barry? You have to look at it that way. Need I remind you of [[Solidad|Samantha]] and [[Ada (Kanto)|Audrey]]? Technically we are updated with the ''confirmed'' information. If you don't like it, join the Bulbanews and post it there or request that they post it. They have no restrictions. See that's the problem, people treat Bulbapedia like a news site such as Serebii. It's not. That's what Bulbanews is for. However, it is kind of hypocritical that we submit new titles of episodes before airing but not this... Maybe something should be changed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 06:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS RULE. Lets vote. --'''[[User:Prongs|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS ; color:gold;">Prongs</span>]] <sub>'''([[User Talk:Prongs|<span style="color:black;">Talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|<span style="color:black;">Contributions</span>]])'''</sub> 09:53, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

No.--[[User:Force Fire|<font color="AAAAFF">FF</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|<font color="FFAAAA"><small>edits</small></font>]]•[[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="999999"><small>talk</small></font>]]) 11:39, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

:I do not agree with the opinion that if we moved Barry, we would have to do it for everyone. "Everyone" does not have an officially confirmed name (through a title). Barry has. Come on, the title REVEALED this name. If we believed that the title is real, then why do we refuse to believe that the name is real? Moving the page WOULD NOT be a big breakage of the Bulbapedia's Policies, as there actually IS an evidence that the name is real. That "What if the episode title happens to be different?" is completely bullshit. At this logic, we should not believe in any leaked titles. At this logic, Bulbapedia SHOULD NOT allow putting episode titles in the articles before the airing. But it does. Hypocrisy much? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
::Logical fallacy. You don't have to move an article for the English title. Dub names for characters do require that, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:38, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:::So, that's all about effort... Eh... --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:27, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

== Jun's Piplup ==

I may be incorrect, but I've heard that in the recent episode Jun mentioned that he started with/has had a Piplup. Shouldn't his Pokémon list be updated accordingly? [[User:Watchermark|Watchermark]] 23:29, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:Proof? --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 03:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
::Okay, I watched the subbed version. Barry says that the road of getting Prinplup to evolve into Empoleon is difficult, which would imply that he's had it at least since it was Prinplup. However, this isn't exactly a comfirmation. After all, we still won't allow the mentioning of Drew possibly having his Flygon since it was Vibrava after saying something similar. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 07:11, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::No matter how any lecture may be worded, if it doesn't appear explicit enough, it ain't confirmation.  Even if that conversation were more solid to confirm Barry had it as a Prinplup, the possibility would still exist that he caught it as a wild Prinplup and then ditched his {{p|Turtwig|real starter}} afterwards...

:::(Note that the destination of the link may not reflect the accuracy of Barry's overall backstory, just the most likely case from the perspective of the games assuming Dawn's basis is that of player character.  And remember, "most likely" does NOT mean "confirmed" by any stretch of the imagination.)  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

== So, what? Move problem ==

[[Barry]] currently redirects to [[Pearl (game)]]. What are we doing? Are we moving this to "Barry (anime)" and changing "Barry" into a disambig? Or maybe delete the redirect and move the page to "Barry" with the headnote about Pearl? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 13:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
:Personally, I think [[Barry]] should be the disambig, since that's the first choice of the names for {{ga|Pearl}} in both Diamond and Platinum. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Duet ==

In ''Barry's Busting Out All Over!'', Dawn points out that Barry was in a 'duet with the exploud' which is similar to [[Pearl (Special)|Pearl]] and [[Diamond (Special)|Diamond]] and their comedy duo. Should that be in the trivia section? Or is that a totally different thing? I thought it was a bit interesting but that's just me --[[User:Talli|<font color="#CC6699">ταllı</font>]][[User talk:Talli|<font color="#A0A0E9"><small>☆</small></font>]] 23:32, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

== Change Picture ==
I think you should change Barrys' picture back to http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/5/5e/Pearlanime.PNG 
I think it's better than the current one on his page. The current one on his page isn't very good in my opinion, no offence... {{unsigned|Pichachu-San}}
:Agreed. [[User:CuboneKing|<font color="Red">Cu</font>]][[User talk:CuboneKing|<font color="Tan">bo</font>]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|<font color="Green">ne</font>]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|<font color="Black">King</font>]] 02:11, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
::the one on the page is both HD and a better shot. it stays. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 02:20, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
But isn't this one HD too? And it's just his face looks a little messed up. Besides, this is an EPIC shot of barry! And who doesn't like epicness?!--[[User:Pichachu-San|idinkuspelld&quot;Pikachu&quot;wrong...]] 20:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

:That pic's pre-[[DP121]].  No pics from before [[DP121]] except for movies could even possibly be in {{wp|High-definition television|HD}}, unless somebody took it from an upscaled digital broadcast that {{wp|Stretch-o-Vision|stretched}} the frame.  And something from an upscaled digital broadcast that stretched the frame would be considered unsatisfactory due to its very nature.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 02:50, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey whoa whoa hey! No need to get technical! Goodness, I'm not THAT smart...--[[User:Pichachu-San|idinkuspelld&quot;Pikachu&quot;wrong...]] 20:18, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:Basically, from [[DP121]] onwards the screen is wider than it was before.  There's probably more to HD than that, but I'm not an expert.
:The part about pre-DP121 being stretched means that if the pic in question had been captured from an upscaled digital broadcast, it would end up looking like this:
::http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/pirika_poron/barry16x9.png
:So pretty! <span style="border: 2px dotted #FFBBDD;">[[User:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;">梅子</span>]][[User talk:Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sup>❀</sup></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|<span style="color:#FF99CC;"><sub>✿</sub></span>]]</span> 20:47, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

=== DP157 ===
Why was Barry holding up a card with the number one on it? [[User:Chomper4|Chomper4]] 20:39, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

== Edit request ==

Since the article is protected, could somebody add this for me? Barry's European French voice actor is Gregory Praet... thanks. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 00:04, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Please give me permission for put the name of voice actors for his Pokémon, Bill Rogers, Katsuyuki Konishi and Sarah Natochenny --[[User:Rodney|Rodney]] 16:47, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

They don't give special access to pages just so people can add stuff. The article will be automatically be unlocked tomorrow. --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 20:39, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

==Eight Badges==

Can someone add this in (hidden of course). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-A790zus0g --[[User:HoennMaster|<font color="blue">Hoenn</font>]][[User talk:HoennMaster|<font color="green">Master</font>]] 09:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Can someone (admin) add [[:a:File:Barry Sinnoh badges.png|this badge picture]] please.  --<span style="color:#00DD00">♫♪</span>[[User:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''Ady'''</span>]][[User talk:Adyniz|<span style="color:#FF7327;">'''niz'''</span>]]<span style="color:#00DD00">♪♫</span> 11:52, 11 February 2010 (UTC)


==Hitmonlee==

He has a {{p|Hitmonlee}}, according to [[DP184]] preview. -{{u|Caciulacdlac}}
:Seeing what the article has to say, there's also a Skarmory, but I suggest that DP184, Paul, and Barry are protected. What we do here is wait until the episode actually shows before doing anything. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#DAA520"><sup>'''''ht'''''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 15:37, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

==Inconsistency with Name Origin==
I realize this is nitpicky, but the Trivia section states that Jun's name ''is'' a reference to Junichi Matsuda, whereas the Name section states that Jun is ''possibly'' a reference to Junichi Matsuda. For the purpose of consistency, I think that the Trivia section should be reworded to indicate that it is only a possible reference, unless somewhere it has been officially stated that it is a reference.--[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantomjunkie]] 05:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
:Fixed. They now both say possibly. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 05:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

== Moveset Box ==

Ooh, I like this, but it looks horrible when your not logged in and the entire box is all squeezed together. I really like the idea though.--[[User:Burgundy|Burgundy]] 07:22, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

== Badge Information ==

It says this under badges, "'''Barry had three more badges in Gotta Get a Gible! in addition to his first three that was revealed in Barry's Busting Out All Over!, however, which three badges he had is unknown.'''" But wouldn't we know for a fact which 3 badges they were? Barry had 3 badges when he started. Then he had 3 more badges that equal 6 badges. Barry said "Gotta Get a Gible" that he hadn't battled Fantina and was heavily implied that he didn't take the Beacon badge yet (since he didn't go to Sunyshore City nor did he talk about the beacon badge until "Fighting fire with ire"). So wouldn't the 3 badges Barry mentioned in "Gotta Get a Gible" be the other three (as in the other badges that aren't the Relic Badge, or Beacon Badge or the ones shown in Barry's busting out all over.) --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 09:30, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Nope, the anime has shown more badges than the eight in the game for exzmple one of Barry's original 3 [[User:05308|Lanturn....05308]] 16:19, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
: Unless you're implying that Barry has more than 8 Badges, then I don't see your argument, or I think you are misunderstanding me. Look at Barry's badge list, and you'll see three badges have been obtained prior to Ash meeting him: The Mine Badge, the Forest Badge, and an Unknown badge. Then there's 2 unknown badges and the Coal badge, followed by the Relic Badge and the Beacon badge. Wouldn't the two unknown badges and the coal badge have been obtained prior to "Gotta Get a Gible" since those are the only three badges that actually make sense? Because like I said Barry didn't get Fantina's badge until after Gotta a Gible, neither would he have gotten the Beacon badge. So that only leaves those 2 unknown badges and coal badge as the three Barry obtained prior to Gotta get a Gible. Like I said the only way that cannot be true is if like I think you implied that Barry has more than 8 badges --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 22:03, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I see what u mean now and in that case I belive u may be right, however I'm not an admin so I'll probabley get told of I change it, should wait for their word [[User:05308|Lanturn....05308]] 22:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Beacon Badge ==
Shouldn't it be mentioned that Barry didnt actually earn this badge and that he just took it because he said he has this badge but at the time when he got it the badges were just being handed out by the machine. ???? [[User:Djulienr|Djulienr]] 03:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

== Ok, this has been bugging me for months now and I'd like and answer, please. ==

'''''"Dawn once mentioned Barry singing a duet with an {{p|Exploud}}. This is similar to his {{adv|Pearl|Pokémon Adventures counterpart}}."'''''
:Ok, 1) When did Dawn mention this? 2) When did this happen in Pokemon Adventures? I've read the entire {{chap|Diamond & Pearl}} and never once came across something like this. Then again, this may have only happened in the Japanese version of it...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 22:08, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
::When Dawn reconozese him in his debute she mentioned it, I don't know about the manga [[User:05308|<font color="blue">Diamond</font>]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|<font color="yellow">Lanturn</font>]] [[User talk:05308|<font color="red">CodeName: 05308</font>]] 22:10, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

== First Pokemon? ==

Is it Herracross or empoleon? cause he was quite young when he saw herracross?[[User:TeamPlasma|TeamPlasma]] 21:25, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
:Unless it was directly stated which was first in one of the episodes I don't think there is a way to tell. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 00:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

== Heracross' Gender ==

Why does my edit that says Heracross is male keep getting reverted? Its, or should I say "his" horn is shaped like a cross and debuted in [[Generation IV]], after [[List of Pokémon with gender differences|gender differences]] were introduced. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="2" color="#FFA500">the great</font>]] [[User:Mikoro|<font face="Wide Latin" size="2" color="#DAA520">MIKORO</font>]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 13:31, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

I saw the side note. But why does this matter? Even if the species was introduced before gender differences, this very Pokémon was introduced after gender differences. [[Special:Contributions/Mikoro|<font face="Kristen ITC" size="2" color="#FFA500">the great</font>]] [[User:Mikoro|<font face="Wide Latin" size="2" color="#DAA520">MIKORO</font>]] ([[User talk:Mikoro|talk to me]]) 12:37, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you, it should be confirmed male. Even if the species was introduced before gender differences this Heracross was introduced after gender differences making it male.[[User:Rahl|Chy-i]] ([[User talk:Rahl|talk]]) 19:04, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

== How do we know that Barry is 10? ==

Barry's information box says that he is 10 at the time of his debut. How do we know this? I don't see any citations for this claim, and I can't remember anywhere in the anime (or at least, in the dub) where his age is explicitly stated. [[User:Red Knight|Red Knight]] ([[User talk:Red Knight|talk]]) 23:03, 28 January 2024 (UTC)