Talk:Ash's Bayleef

Gender

We know its a female how? - unsigned comment from Lego3400 (talk • contribs)

First off, please sign your comments with ~~~~. Secondly, I don't think we do officially, but it just seems to be the case. --T T Echidna 01:40, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Or do we officially? Anyone? When was it confirmed as a female Bayleef? Did it, like, get Charizard or Totodile having the hots for it? TTE chidna 21:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

on the ash's bayleef page it says its confirmed to be female Time to eat AND sleep 10:57, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

People assume it. Every doubts there'd of been homosexuals in a cartoon. So if Chikorita/Bayleef does have, as TTEchinda says 'the hots' for Ash, then people assume it's a girl. SD13 Simpsondude13>SD13 Talk 11:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, Bayleef might not know if Ash is even a boy.... --Force ^Fire talk 11:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Why is it okay to use "The hots" for Ash to confirm that Bayleef is female but you can't say Meowth is male because he has had "the hots" for some clearly female Pokémon. -Sketch 12:23, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

we can't. However, a nurse joy called her "she". Not exactly enough for me, but, w/e. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 12:34, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Meowth also has "the hots" for Giovanni.

Bayleef is feminine to Bulbasaur's masculine but both genders are not technically confirmed in canon. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 13:03, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Meowth doesn't have the "hots" for Giovanni. Its more of an effort to please him, nothing more. Just because he has weird fantasies about him, it doesn't mean he has anything for him. Jm a th 13:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Girl

Long before I created the account I saw Bayleef's article and it said her voice actress in both Japanese and English is Mika Kanai

That doesn't prove squat. Pikachu's voice is a girl. Does that mean it's female. Bulbasaur voice is a girl. Does that mean it's female as well. Oh yeah, and Ash is voiced by girls in Japan and America. Well... I think I made my point. That evidence means nothing. The best thing we got is that Bayleef has romantic feelings for Ash and even that's not strong enough. --☆ケンジガール 00:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Bayleef's gender

When Bayleef was Chikorita it use to hug Ash as if he was a male Chikorita so that proves it - unsigned comment from Livinlarge18 (talk • contribs)

First of all, what does it prove, that Bayleef is male or female? Secondly, how can you tell by the way it hugs what gender it is? --PAK Man ^Talk 01:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Everyone knows hugs are stylistically different between males and females of a species that we haven't been shown the difference between. Duuuuuuh. TTE chidna 02:14, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Livinlarge18, have you ever heard of homosexuals? I can't believe someone could be that close minded. --☆ケンジガール 04:16, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

^ Fail. There aren't homosexual Pokémon, according to the games.

^ ultimate fail. Game=/= anime--Force ^Fire talk 10:20, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

^ A whole new level fail. If they wanted Bayleef to be homosexual, the how come that they never hinted at it being male?

Not to mention that an anime as kiddy as Pokémon is extremely unlikely to invent the concept of homosexual Pokémon. Spideym 05:05, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

You know, A kid might not know what a Homosexual is, So it's actually safe to have Homosexuals in a kids show.--Force ^Fire talk 05:08, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

If that was the case, they would include a hint at Bayleef being a male, so that older viewers would get it. Which they never did, hence Bayleef is officially a female. Spideym 05:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Officially. *laughs* See Ash's Bulbasaur and Charizard's talk pages. ^ht 14 05:16, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I did. People there are insane, as some went as far as to suggest that Charla is a cross-dresser male Charizard _-_ - unsigned comment from Spideym (talk • contribs)

Pokémon don't need to be hinted upon to know their gender.--Force ^Fire talk 05:23, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

But the writers wouldn't have hinted at Bayleef being female if they didn't intend it to be. Spideym 05:28, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

If i remember if right, Gary called Bayleef a she in the Silver Conference battle. _*tc 26_* 05:29, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

There is something called a dub edit, The Japanese writer might not claim Bayleef's gender, But 4Kids might've to bring more speculation.--Force ^Fire talk 05:30, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

This is stupid. Can we drop this now? I mean this conversation was like a year old to begin with and this guy had to go and revive it. --ケンジの ガール 05:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Vine Whip

Anyone else think it's worth mentioning that chikorita can't learn vine whip in gen II? And even after that it requires breeding. Kanjo 02:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

No... If it can learn it, in any way, than its not unusual. It's apparently a common thing in the anime being that all of the Chikorita family members shown knew Vine Whip. This is mentioned on the Chikorita main page. --☆ケンジガール 02:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Trivia

Bayleef is the only one of ash's starter pokemon not to reach its final evolution

Who put that in the trivia, because it is so untrue. --Pokelova 09:07, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

New guy. I removed it already. --ケンジの ガール 09:10, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

On hand?

The infobox says with Ash.

The Ash's Pokémon template says with Oak.

The article says Ash plans to use Bayleef in the Sinnoh League.

What's correct?--immewnitythe mew 23:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Ya Im wondering that too . Is Ash gonna use Bayleaf in the league? is it confirmed?RBK 23:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The infobox shows it to be at Prof. Oak's lab. The AP template is correct. the article have been edited to show that Ash may or may not use Bayleef later on in the league battle. As with Ash's current battle with Paul, and a "scan" showing the Pokémon used in Ash's battle against Paul, there have been no sign of Ash using Bayleef. But we dun noe who will be battling Takuto, spoiler. --Ruixiang95 08:52, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers*** The only lead we have on the Takuto battle is the use of Ash's Heracross so unless this battle is out of the region on 1- on-1 (which will probably not be, Bayleef, in my opinion, will sadly not be used. --PickyChimchar 09.14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, I think someone added it becuase its on the new oppening in the Japanise at the end. It shows a bunch of Ash's Pokemon. Maybe that's why. Or spoilers. --DragonZekrom 12:30, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Could somebody who uploaded all of the previous DP182 appearances upload a HD version of her current pic? I can't find the episode anywhere when I torrent it,so I'm out of luck.--Cubic Question 05:33, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I think the current header is in HD, however it's small. What do you think? ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 05:44, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I think that was from when we used to grab from filb.de. If you look at the rest of Ash's team, everything has been updated with clearer 1280x720p images (barring Snorlax, Noctowl, and Donphan, but I'm working on those as we speak). Bayleef must have got left out when the other images were grabbed ;_;--Cubic Question 06:02, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Gender Again

I know this is an old topic but I have to know... Why is it okay to assum Bayleaf is feamle because it likes ash but it's not okay to assume Bulbasaur is male because it likes mays Venusaur? If you ask me Bayleafs gender is just as unconfirmed as Bulbasaurs.--Epic Shadow 16:23, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Nurse Joy told Ash that Chikorita was a girl in the Japanese version. --ケンジの ガール 23:41, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Adding to the Move template pictures

[[a:File:Ash Bayleef Body Slam Houndoom.png|thumb|Body Slam]]

I cannot make heads or tails of this template so I will not even attempt to add to it. I'm trying to add a few other pictures from those moves, so if I put them up here, I'd appreciate someone with knowledge of the template to put them in. Thanks. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 09:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a better quality picture? That one is really pixelated. —darklordtrom 09:45, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Personally I don't, but since my version of Bayleef's Vine Whip jump was quickly updated, I'm sure someone will be able to find one. Its the best I could find with my very limited resources. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 10:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The image has now been updated, thanks to Pattyman. I have decided to stick to my own personal videos rather than those from the internet, so I'll be working on Kanto and early Johto teams. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 11:24, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Razor leaf in the Moves template - Chikorita v Bayleef

Why was the Chikorita picture replaced with this Bayleef one? The Chikorita one was an excellent screenshot, it captured everything necessary for the picture. The Bayleef one is horrible, Bayleef is miniscule in the distance and off centre and only a few of the leaves actually make it into the photo. Is there a policy preference for the current evolutionary stage over previous ones or can I change it back? Toon Ganondorf (t c) 13:07, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

The Old Family Blend mixup

I'm getting sick of having to correct it. If you actually watch the episode, you'll see that Ash returns Snorlax into the Poké Ball in his right hand, and then looks in surprise at the Poké Ball in his left, saying he didn't request that one. Therefore it can't possibly have been Snorlax that was sent. Follow this up with the scene where Barry is attacked by an unknown Pokémon, which isn't revealed to the viewer until Ash finds her, it is undisputable that Bayleef was sent instead of Heracross. Consider their personalities also - Bayleef misses Ash terribly, wheras Heracross is easily distracted and Snorlax very lazy. I doubt very much that Snorlax or Cyndaquil would be likely to get themselves transferred to Ash over Bayleef. Toon Ganondorf (t c) 01:36, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Whirlwind (based on EP127)

The synopsis in Once in a Blue Moon (Episode 127) says:

"In an attempt to get the Quagsire off him, Ash sends out Chikorita, who successfully blows away the Quagsire with Whirlwind.", and
"Quagsire comes up from behind Ash, and Chikorita uses whirlwind again, but in the process, the GS Ball falls out of Ash's backpack."

and Vipera pointed out that "the synopsis is taken word-for-word from the episode description on watchpokemonepisodes.com. Isn't that a problem?" I'd say there's a problem.

Since Chikorita cannot learn Whirlwind in the games and Ash never told Chikorita to use Whirlwind, shouldn't this article add an improvised move, or should the synopsis in the episode 127 article get fixed? I tried to fix it, but I cannot find a way to change that "Whirlwind" thingy. --"SimonOrJ"^(U/T/C) 00:11, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Hoenn??

I'm removing the Hoenn section from the article The Right Place and the Right Mime, took place in Kanto if you recall.Glalie Power (talk) 04:34, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Razor Leaf image

One of the images in the switch shows Bayleef using Razor Leaf as a Chikorita, shouldn't we change to an image of Bayleef using Razor Leaf since it used it as a Bayleef first in Current Events, a good one is in An Old Family Blend, I'd do it myself but I'm not sure how. StephenWalker97 (talk) 21:48, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Male in the Dutch Dub

Can someone please tell me what episode was it incorrectly called a he? - unsigned comment from Feelitstill23 (talk • contribs)

Gender

That's really hypocritical from the stuff to defend this unsourced claim. Apparently there's no mention of Ash's Chikorita gender in the Japanese version of EP136 by Nurse Joy, I couldn't find the episode either, only the subtitles, so until anyone can prove it again it should become gender unknown case.--Rocket Grunt 18:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm starting to think that people are doing it just because of the feeling of trolling. The other day was with Ash's Butterfree, now with Bayleef. Is there really anyone who thinks Bayleef is male? The anime has always made it explicit when the Pokémon of the Chikorita family are male and female. That's weird. --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 18:35, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Ok, so I translated subs for EP200 from here [1] (Pocket Monsters (1997) (001-279) (Captions) (Kids Station).zip/205 (202).ass) and found Brock's statement about Bayleef being a girl: "だいじょうぶ大丈夫？おんなこお女の子ってのは追いかければに逃げるものなんだ｡そうなの？お追いかけるな！追いかけられろ・おんなごころひそれが女心をつかむ秘けつだ！". Google translate says: Is it okay? She's a girl who runs away if she catches up. Is that so? Don't chase! Be chased, a girl, that's the secret to catching a woman's heart!. I hope it helps.--Rocket Grunt 21:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Table of Arguments for the Chikorita's Gender

Here's everything I've found so far. Let's figure this out together. --Janjtv (talk) 18:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Provenance	Proves	Argument	Status
Primary	Female	Allegedly, in the original Japanese script, the Chikorita's gender is stated	Which episode?
Secondary	Female	The Chikorita's sex is stated in a Japanese magazine (according to eswiki)	What magazine?
Secondary	Male	The narrator refers to the Chikorita as "his" at the end of EP136 in the English version	OK Likely a mistake in the DVD subtitles. "It" is used in the rest of the episode.
Secondary	Male	The Dutch dub uses male pronouns for the Chikorita	In Dutch, grammatical gender does not necessarily reflect the actual situation. Also, which episode?
Tertiary	Unstated	Pixiv dictionary says the gender was left unspecified. 「性別については明言はされていない」	OK

Allegedy stated in EP136, and in the English version you can clearly hear "its jealousy" [2].--Rocket Grunt 18:57, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I think that for all intents and purposes we should only consider the original Japanese dubbing and in some cases the American dubbing, for good. Even more so because in the USA they gave a female voice to male HUMAN characters.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I didn't even consider that. Table updated.--Janjtv (talk) 19:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)