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<span style="color:#FF0000"><big><big><big>ASH'S AGE IS INDETERMINATE! AS OF EPISODE 1, HE IS 10 AS FAR AS IT'S KNOWN! PLEASE DO NOT POST ABOUT IT!</big></big></big></span>
== Previous discussions ==
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Ash Ketchum/Archive 3|Archive 3]]


== Trivia ==
In the trivia it says about Ash never catching a Pokemon when he has 6 in his party and then gives many exceptions, hardly a worthy piece of trivia, I would suggest removing it but I am afraid of back-lash from other users, so can anyone give their consensus. [[User:Sailor Earth|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Sailor Earth|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] 20:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Krabby was at the beginning, there are 30 of those Tauros and Beedrill went straight to Casey.  I think the fact is worth mentioning but I'm not sure how to reword it. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 23:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::If thirty Tauros at once counts as many exceptions... '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:59, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
==Ash Sprite==
I made a sprite of Ash: [[Image:Ash_Sprite.png]]  I used Lucas (since they are very similar) and changed some features.  How is it?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 20:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I say very good!--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 21:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Kuki, you should talk to my younger brother, [[User:Diamaster|Diamaster]].  Does anyone have anything else for me to make?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
How about we go through it together?  Oh, how about giving [[Mimey]] a broom in its sprite on [[Delia]]'s page?--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 21:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'll get to it.  Feel free to e-mail me anytime you come with an idea.  You are like my manager, or somewhat my boss.  This works well.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Should we start from the beginning?--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 21:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I've just finished [[Mimey|Mimey's]] sprite.  I'm ready for the list!--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 21:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
: It's good but is there any point of putting that in the Article? --[[User:Force Fire|Force Fire]] 09:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:: Actually, last time we did this to Tyson's Meowth, the Cat got the Boot (Geddit? Geddit? Oh forget it...) '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <span class="explain" title="Optimus35"><sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]</sup>''10:11 6 Jun 2008'''''
:::I have to agree... the sprites are neat (sort of; I've definitely seen better), but they don't really belong in the articles. Just because a Pokémon dresses differently doesn't mean it's not the same Pokémon. --[[User:Martonimos|<font color="#008000">Martonimos</font>]]<sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|((<font color="#00FF00">Argh</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">Blargh</font>))]]</sub> 05:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::All he was trying to do was give the Pokémon some individuality. I'm not sure I'm for the modified sprites of humans but we should let the Pokémon stay. Especially if they are tweaked just so slightly that it barely makes a difference. Like Ash's Sceptile. You can't say that looked bad. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 06:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I understand that. And I guess the less obtrusive ones are OK (this is all just my opinion, anyway). But don't put "sprite by Taviource" on the pages; that's just advertising, which shouldn't be in the main namespace. It's fine that you put it on the images themselves; that way, people who are interested in the sprites can follow them to you, and people who aren't don't think you're a {{tt|whore|apologies if you find the word offensive}}. --[[User:Martonimos|<font color="#008000">Martonimos</font>]]<sub>[[User talk:Martonimos|((<font color="#00FF00">Argh</font>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">Blargh</font>))]]</sub> 06:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that was a little out-of-bounds on his part. Still I think the Pokémon ones are cool.--[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 06:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I can't say that Sceptile looks bad but I can say that it looks incorrect since it had a different twig to Treecko/Grovyle. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 11:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but i just dont think that traviource's edits ar good enough.I personally think that they should be put back to normal or if it's allowed, http://pokesho.com/icon.html has really nice personalized sprites.I know there's a copyright rule but if you translate the page it says: Pokemon Icon Collection Freedom to use. Anywway, i dont know, but that was my thought.--Riot464
We want them to b somewhat, actuall mostly based off the games.--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 19:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Sweet! Pokemonboy 08:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
It looks like you used Red as a scratch, not Lucas. -Metagross72
== Sun Stone ==
does anyone know what happened to his sun stone from the bug catching contest? [[User:Mooites|Mooites]] 23:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
He used it on a Sunkern in [[EP187]]--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 23:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not much of a waste since Misty missed the [[Oddish (Pokémon)|"Water-type"]] she tried to catch in [[EP010]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:01, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
== Alternate Sprites ==
Oh, since we're on the subject, let's change the MS sprites too! >.> No, seriously, what difference would it make even if we DID have alternate sprites? The best we could do is {{u|Shiny Noctowl}}, and it's an official sprite. Squirtle appeared mostly without its glasses, thus, GET RID OF THEM. Primape and the belt? Wow! The belt got stuck on him for ten minutes and you already want to put it there??? Seriously, folks, ARE WE USING THE ALTERNATE SPRITES OR WHAT? '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <span class="explain" title="Optimus35"><sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]</sup>''07:38 7 Jun 2008'''''
: In my opinion, we shouldn't be using these altered sprites. As Optimus35 pointed out, most of these alterations are things that appeared for a few minutes in a few episodes. More importantly, the Bulbapedia is ''not'' a place for fan art. If the artist is trying to showcase their art, the Bulbapedia is not the way to do it. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 12:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:: I concur, sort of. Taivource does seem to be on a "Everyone behold my cool sprites." binge. Kenji-girl seems to like the Treecko-line ones, though (and to be fair, they are good). [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 12:56, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Just because we're an encyclopedia of Pokémon doesn't mean every sprite on every page has to be EXACTLY out of a game, does it? '''<span style="background:#4B0082">[[User:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFD700">PL</span>]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFA500">12</span>]]</span>''' 13:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::If it was a commonly re-occurring theme, then an alternate sprite singles it out as unique, which could be gathered from what I know about the Treeko and evolutions. [[User:Gywall|Gywall]] 13:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
WE ARE USING THE ALTERNATE SPRITES, except for the trainer ones, and I actually might've put the yellow stars on Janina's Onix. And, for example Taisei's Piplup wore the tiara all episode--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 13:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
: OH, ARE WE NOW? Thanks for being so open to discussion, Kuki. [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 13:11, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
What's that supposed to mean.  And Squirtle's glasses, as leader of the squirtle Squad, he's wearing them all the time probably--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 13:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:''If'' it is a significant part of their character design (eg. Noctowl, Treecko/Grovyle without the flower/Sceptile, maybe Squirtle) it is worth featuring the altered sprites. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 13:30, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Exactly they are not just any ordinary Squirtle, Onix, Piplup, or Dustox, there is a special piece of design that seperates them from the ordinary ones. [[User:Sailor Earth|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Sailor Earth|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] 17:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Exactly.  They each have their own significant and reminds us all about all the good times in the anime.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 17:10, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Plus, Dustox, Squirtle, Primeape, and Butterfree belong/ed to main characters.  And remember how we did an alternate sprite for {{an|May}}'s Venusaur as a Bulbasaur--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 17:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::We did?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 17:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Not we, but Bulbapedia as a community. The link is there, hover over Bulbasaur, and voila! PROOF!--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 17:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:For the record, I entirely disagree with the Onix sprite.  (She tried cheating one time and then had to wash it off.)  But this is Ash's talk page so let's stick to those sprites here.  The consensus seems to be to keep the alternate sprites and they don't hurt.  Are there any valid reasons to not have them? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 17:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Also, Grovyle needs to lose the flower and Sceptile's twig needs correcting. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 17:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Remember, shortly b4 Grovyle evolved, the flower bloomed?  Thus the flower stays!--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 17:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::It was actually wwhen Meganium used Synthesis--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 17:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::But that is the main point against some of the sprites: It was a normal twig for almost the entire time it was on the show.  For the character design argument to work, you have to actually show its normal character design. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 18:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::But what if he changes the twig? Can the sprites stay? '''<span style="background:#4B0082">[[User:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFD700">PL</span>]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|<span style="color:#FFA500">12</span>]]</span>''' 18:03, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, it just needs a little editing. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 18:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Sceptile can have less attention.  But what about Nurse Joy's Chansey with the hat?  That also keeps on getting deleted.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 18:09, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:::This is not Nurse Joy's page, but that is also a common character design. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 18:13, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I fixed Joy's page, and added the Pokémon she gave to Stephanie and her dad in AGO34--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c41a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 18:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
::Alright.  Thanks, Fabu-Vinny. Thanks, Kuki....but can I fix the Sceptile sprite?--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 18:29, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Sure, cuz I dunno how--KukiTalk
:This is getting downright ridiculous. What do a few pixels matter? I agree with Squirtle and the Treecko family, but Butterfree with scarf and Primeape with belt? Guys, PLEASE, stop having so many alternate sprites!!!
:And, I thought I removed Grovyle's flower. Please, people. Keep this up and we'll eternally ban you from the archives (and Bulbapedia, I guess...) if you keep reuploading and uploading thesep ics. I know you put much effort into them but...They're putting quite a load on the server. That's why there are 26,570 files in the Archive while we only need 26000. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <span class="explain" title="Optimus35"><sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]</sup>''02:16 8 Jun 2008'''''
::I kinda agree, especially because they're low quality sprites. Take it from someone who has been spriting for a long time. They aren't good. <span style="color:#0000FF;">tc26</span> 02:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
You are totally unfair! The majority of support is for the alternate sprites and then you threaten them with blocking because they don't agree with you. I know we are not the same as Wikipedia but on wiki we have consensus where the majority of support wins, or is this an admin dictatorship. [[User:Sailor Earth|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Sailor Earth|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] 08:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:You do realise that your 'majority' is completely made out of inexperienced users (Excluding Kuki and PL12, who I consider adequate in MediaWIki skills) who barely know that <nowiki><span style=" font-family=Comic Sans MS";></nowiki> will give you text in Comic Sans. People! In the past year (Let's call it the Jurassic), plenty of things have happened. Several vandal attacks. Several fake vandals (Including this account -anime sweatdrop-). These helped to mature our users. Your 'majority' arrived about the late Cretaceous. You know what would happen if you keep it up? That's right. The {{wp|Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event}}. Do you want Bulbapedia to overload? Do you want our hard work to fall through the hole? People! If you want to change Bulbapedia's standards, GET YER OWN WIKI!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <span class="explain" title="Optimus35"><sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc></span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]</sup>''06:23 9 Jun 2008'''''
:: Don't be so melodramatic. The community as a whole is keeping a better eye on it than that... [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 11:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Kuki is an experienced user???????????????????? [[User:Sailor Earth|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Sailor Earth|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] 10:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Kenji-Girl supports alternate sprites, she is very profesional. [[User:Sailor Earth|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Sailor Earth|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] 10:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:And your point is? [[User:Crystallucario|<span style="color:#000000">~'''Crystal'''</span>]][[User talk:Crystallucario|<span style="color:#000000">~'''Lucario~'''</span>]] 11:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd navigated this site before becoming a user--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 14:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
My point Crystal, is that earlier the comment was made that only un-experienced users supported these sprites and Kenji-Girl is more profesional than most and has common sense, '''and doesn't jump to conclusions''' which is more than can be said {{tt|for some|Darth Cookie Monster, who I thought was my friend until he started constantly insulting me}} [[User:Sailor Earth|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Sailor Earth|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Sailor Earth|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] 18:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
:I'm an admin and I support some of the sprites...
:But things really need to calm down here.  It certainly isn't worth creating a riot over. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 18:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks and I agree with you now.--[[User:Taviource|Taviource]] 19:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
==That last piece of trivia==
For some reason I can't delete that piece of trivia at he bottom of the list and Ireally need to for one simple reason. Its totally wrong. It can't be a trend of Ash catching a flying type, grass, fire and then water because it happens once! Kanto- bug, flying, grass, fire, water. Thats got bug at the start. Johto- bug, grass, fire, water, flying. Noctowl was caught after cyndaquil and he had heracross. Hoenn- flying, grass, water, fire. Water and fire are the wrong way round. Kanto is a main region and so the battle fronteir arc has only the capture of aipom, a normal tyoe. It can't be a trend if it only happens in 1 region! Because I can't delete it for some reason I implore you to get rid of it. A trend has to happen alot more than once. [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 21:55, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:You can't delete it because Fabu-Vinny protected the page (have a look at the page history). [[User:Cassius335|- Cassius335]] 00:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I guessed that was the reason. However that really doesn't stop it being wrong and there [[User:TheAlmightyChris|TheAlmightyChris]] 16:34, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
== Ash dressing up ==
In this article it mentions ash's three times cross dressing and his two time having to dress up as fruit. What it doesn't mention is the number of times he has to dress up as an actual pokemon. I can only remember him being Mr. Mime in 'Mr. Mime Time' and as an Octillery in 'Octillery the Outcast'. Im pretty sure there are a few others, can anyone remember, thnx! I just somehow have feeling there may be a few more beside the one's i have said and the one below {{unsigned|Dragonboy}}
:I remember him dressing up as Seviper to teach Nicolai's Zangoose how to battle with one. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 06:00, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
== Electric Tale of Pikachu - Needed Verification ==
Did ash have a Beedrill in Electric Tale of Pikachu manga? Don't remember it. I think someone spreads fake information. I also don't remember any Mankey traded for a fake map. Can anyone verify these informations? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
No he did not. However, in the second issue, he caught a Mankey, which he did trade for a map. It wasn't actually fake, just very poorly drawn. [[User:Midnight Celtic|<span style="color:#9966CC;">Midnight]][[User talk:Midnight Celtic|Celtic</span>]] 20:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
== Agh so close to hitting it... ==
But still under the wondrous 10% of all Pokémon. C'mon, Chimchar, evolve soon! '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:37, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
In the article, it says :
"The most badges Ash has ever gotten in the first thirty-five episodes were five badges in Kanto, which makes sense considering that Kanto was significantly shorter than any other saga (aside from the Orange Island saga and the Battle Frontier saga). In every other region thus far, he has only won two badges in the first thirty-five episodes."
It's wrong : he had 6 badges by EP035, as he won :
Boulder Badge in EP005
Cascade Badge in EP007
Thunder Badge in EP014
Marsh Badge in EP024
Rainbow Badge in EP026
Soul Badge in EP032
== Befriending Movie Pokemon(IMPORTANT) ==
We've discussed this and since May has Manaphy, Max has Jirachi, I think Ash should have Latias and Lucario!  Any1 agree?--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:##0000FF;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#996666;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 12:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:In none of that discussion has anyone given a decent reason for why the '''list of Pokémon owned by Ash''' should have a section for Pokémon he was simply friendly with.  It has to much potential to get out of hand.  May's page has had Manaphy removed before and Max is the exception because he doesn't own any Pokémon to begin with. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 18:59, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
== Matnine Overboard ==
Is it notable that Ash was apparently able to recognize what a Mantine is in "Mantine Overboard" depite having never seen one before? The same thing could be said about Regice in the 8th movie but that could be easily explained; If (off-camera)someone explained Registeel, Regirock, and Regice the only one left was Regice (simple process of elimination). But the Mantine one has me confused. I suppose it's possible Ash saw a Mantine in his past before becoming a trainer. --[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 18:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah that always happens in the anime. They know Pokemon theyve never mentioned or seen b4. Like James and Carnivine. Whenever they go to a new region Brock already knows all the pokemon and what they evolve into despite never mentioning them in the past. [[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]] 18:33, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:Are you two forgetting that Ash saw one in [[EP214]] and another in [[EP256]]? ''[[User:Moldy orange|<sup style="color:#4B5320;">'''Moldy'''</sup>]][[User talk:Moldy orange|<sub style="color:#ED9121;">'''Orange'''</sub>]]'' 18:34, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
214 is Mantine Overboard, the one Dman Dustin is talking about isnt it? [[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]] 18:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind...That's my fault, (For some reason, I thought he was talking about Steamboat Willies.) ''[[User:Moldy orange|<sup style="color:#4B5320;">'''Moldy'''</sup>]][[User talk:Moldy orange|<sub style="color:#ED9121;">'''Orange'''</sub>]]'' 18:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
::Every time a new batch of Pokémon are created, the anime seems to retcon the fact that they have never existed before.  When Gen V Pokémon are revealed, the anime will treat them as if they were there from the beginning.  ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#003366" face="comic sans ms">'''$aturn'''</font>]][[User:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#008000" face="comic sans ms">'''¥oshi'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:SaturnYoshi|<font color="#800000">THE VOICES</font>]]</sup> 18:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
:TV, Books, and Pokémon games exist in the pokemon world aswell. Also it's not big brother, things would occur off camera and, chances are, if he did see a Mantine in person, it was being minded by Prof. Oak or something like that.
::No matter how it might look shows never show everything frame-by-frame, and neither do movies. Chances are that Ash could see a lot of Pokémon off-camera. And about Brock, I'd assume that he studies about Pokémon off-camera. Also I have never seen a real-life dragon, but that won't stop me from recognizing one if I ever get the chance of seeing one. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
== 3 of 4 gym leaders thing ==
In the trivia bit it says 3 of the 4 female Gym Leaders have turtle based pokemon like he does. What region are we talking about as there are way more than 4 female Gym Leaders overall. Thankyou for your time. [[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]] 09:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh I see, 3 of the 4 gym leaders mentioned in the trivia before. Thankyou for your time. [[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]] 09:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
== Question ==
Do [[Leona]] and [[Nando]] qualify as rivals for Ash? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 03:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
:Nando yes. Leona, no. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#0005CD;">☆</span>]][[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#15E200;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#DC0062;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 04:43, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
== Hurting a Pokémon ==
I can think of at least two occasions Ash has hurt a Pokémon, Drapion in the Riolu special and Squirtle in EP012 (before he caught it). The Advanced Series/Orange Islands are fuzzy for me, I only remember some of the better episodes, can anyone think of any others? {{unsigned|Aura-Knight}}
:Sign your post please. And why are you talking about the Pokémon he's hurt? Just wondering...[[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854"><b>Takoto タコト</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ = 愛</span> 13:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::Also, Aura-Knight, he hurt MEOWTH in EP012, not Squirtle. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 16:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
== categorised trivia anyone? ==
maybe an "in universe" and "out of universe" sections to seperate character trivia and behind the scenes trivia. maybe even another section for pokemon owned, there's that many [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 23:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
==I hate to open up an old can of worms, but...==
I'm completely against the alternate Primeape and Butterfree sprites. They had the the belt/scarf for less than a whole episode, the episodes they left nonetheless. I think the others are fine since they were frequent parts of their characters (Treecko line's twig, Squirtle's sunglasses somewhat), but the belt and scarf are ridiculous. I'm not going to remove them myself since it's bound to start an edit war, so I'm asking for opinions first. '''~[[User:RR|<span style="color:#007BA7">R</span>]][[User talk:RR|<span style="color:#;#33CC99">R</span>]]~''' 04:29, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
:What i think it is is that weve got to have the most upto date images. The last time they were seen. So if they came back and didnt have them then the alternate sprites would have to be removed. Its like how on {{an|may}} the pic is of her emerald uniform although she spent loads more time in her Ruby uniform, but the most upto date is Emerald, even if it was only for 3 episodes. --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]] 09:43, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
::And for both, it was a signifigant reason that they left, Brock gave the scarf to Butterfree so it could score a mate, thus triggering its departure. Primeape went away to further its abilities after winning because it only really won by a fluke. Butterfree was seen with the scarf later and Primeape with the belt as well. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 01:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Not quite, Aura Knight. Primeape is seen without the belt in Spurt, which is the most recent appearence of him, which going by Guardian's logic means that the alternate sprite shouldn't be there. '''~[[User:RR|<span style="color:#007BA7">R</span>]][[User talk:RR|<span style="color:#;#33CC99">R</span>]]~''' 03:53, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm going to leave this alone, but Primeape needs to lose <s>some weight</s> that belt. '''[[User:Optimatum|<span class="explain" title="Optimus35"><sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc></span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]</sub>''11:20 27 Aug 2008'''''
:::::Further, the Butterfree in Spurt ''does'' have Brock's scarf.  My stance is that it should be a significant part of their character design for it to count.  So it looks like Primeape is losing the belt but Butterfree can stay as-is for now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 13:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::i agree with that. thats fair --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]] 14:00, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
== Manga Clefable ==
While we don't have a befriended section for the anime, we do still list Haunter and Larvitar so precedent can go any way.  What is the exact situation for Ash and Clefable in the manga? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 12:41, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
== Protection? ==
Why is this page protected again and why until my birthday (Sept. 30)? --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 22:55, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
:There were multiple reversions over the manga Pokémon list, though none of those involved have actually replied to the above topic... --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 23:32, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
::I'm going to go through with my original plan and unprotect it now.  If anyone still wants to put the befriended section in, give your reasons in the section above before editing the article again. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 21:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
== Why arent the new sprites for Charmander etc. ==
Why arent the new sprites for Charmander etc used??--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 07:13, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:There aren't any new sprites for Charmander, etc. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 14:48, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::THere are according to the charmnder page--[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 06:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Then it's just that no one has updated the image yet.  [[:Image:004.png]] is used all over the wiki, not just on this page, you know. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 14:25, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Some butthead uploaded the second frame sprites for a few of the old Pokémon. The Pt sprites for non-Sinnoh dex/non-Gen IV Pokémon did not change. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Who's that nutthead?--[[User:Tavisource/Custom Sprite Project|<font color="brown">☆</font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 22:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
{{u|Squirtleman}}--[[User:Kuki|<span style="color:#b00000;">Kuki</span>]][[User talk:Kuki|<span style="color:#2c40a4;">Ta</span><span style="color:#049440;">lk</span>]] 22:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
== Protect this ==
Please, before the edits ''"OMG Twrtwig evolvezzzz!"'' --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]] 17:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
== New thing for trivia ==
Should it be noted that Ash has died at least three times during the series? 1- The episode with the ghost pokemon, "Tower of Terror" I think, the chandelier fell on him and Pikachu. 2- "Mewtwo Strikes Back," he tried to stop the battle between Mew and Mewtwo and was turned to stone by the attacks. 3- "Lucario and the Mystery of Mew," the Tree of Beginning's "immune system" absorbed him. This is worth mentioning![[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 21:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:Not sure if "died" is the right word to use, but I agree, it's worth mentioning. &ndash; [[User:RyanCross|<font color="#237d00" face="cursive">'''Ryan'''Cross</font>]] ([[User talk:RyanCross|<font color="#237d00" face="cursive">''talk''</font>]]) 21:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::no, before he was absorbed, Lucario took over. he was fine. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">MAG</span>]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|<span style="color:#696969;">NE</span>]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|<span style="color:#000033;">DETH</span>]]''' 21:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::And it was mentioned before, but it was removed a long time ago. --[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 21:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Ash never officially died. He got turned into a ghost temporarily, I don't count that as a death. Turning into stone is not the same thing as dying either. It does sometimes happen in fiction that somebody dies and is recovered back to life by magic, however that did not happen. There was some magic involved when the Pokémon cried at the end of the first movie, but he got turned into stone, that's not the same thing as dying. I have only watched the Lucario movie once, so I'm not sure what to say about that. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 00:48, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, technically the tree "removed" him and the humans. It didn't kill them, otherwise Mew wouldn't have been able to revive them, even with the anime physics. --[[User:PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''Psychic'''</sup>]][[User talk:PsychicRider|<sub style="color:#000000;">'''Rider'''</sub>]]''<small>''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|<sup style="color:#000000;">'''☮'''</sup>]]''</small> 00:52, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Um, If you ask me, if you turn into a ghost, you sort of have to be dead. Stone isn't alive, so Ash woldn't be alive if he's turned to stone- hate to tell you, but that's the same as being dead. As for the tree's immune system, that's controversial, just like if Lucario itself died at the end of the movie. I understand that last, but besides that, Ash dies at least a couple of times.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 22:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:You make a good point, trolls die when they get turned into stones. (by trolls I mean the creatures, not spammers) Ok, I have to admit, you really managed to outsmart me with your remarks. But I have one question though, if a person freezes, but gets warmed up, would that count as death? [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:51, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Um, not sure, that's more like suspended animation. Unless ice crystals form in the bloodstream.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 22:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
== Temporary Pokémon ==
In regards to both this and [[Misty]]'s article, where Togepi is below her temporarily borrowed Pokémon, I don't see why Temporary comes before Given away (or in Misty's case Released) Pokémon - I would have thought it neater to group the Pokémon that have actually been officially acquired, as opposed to separating them with Pokémon that have only been briefly utilised (and, presumably, not added to their Pokédex). -[[User:Damien Nightstar|Damien Nightstar]] 12:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
==Turtwig evolved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!==
can some one change the turwig to grotle and update turtwigs page cuz it evolved! lol [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:No it didn't.  That's next week's episode. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 14:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::Besides, there's no guarantee that the change will simply be reflecting an evolution.  I sense shades of [[EP081|''Pallet Party Panic'']] here...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::go to serebii.net [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::We have that "Until it airs" policy, so we can't edit anything. Anyway, Merrick =/= 100% Confirmed. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::serebii.net jumped the gun on {{TP|May|Glaceon}}, too.
:::::Besides, Bulbapedia's policy is "when it airs" ("it" refers to the episode itself).  Not "when it's previewed".  As far as we know, Ash's team at the end of the episode could (and probably will) be Pikachu, Staravia, Buizel, Chimchar, and Gliscor with one empty slot (indicating leaving Grotle with the herd).  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::ooo , aight [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
:::::::ASH ISN'T GOING TO RELEASE GROTLE!
:::::::Anyway, we are in exactly the same situation as we were yesterday.  The evolution has been confirmed since the Newtype summary was released.  Serebii just updated Ash's bio today because we have a picture of it now. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 15:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:Until it airs police. This is not the first time that a preview spoils something important... is it so diffcult to wait a week? We'll have a Grotle, we know. But wait. Just a week. Serebii is Serebii, it has its own rules, and Bulbapedia is Bulbapedia, we just have to wait --[[User:Nick.|Me]], [[User talk:Nick.|myself]] and [[Special:Contributions/Nick.|I]] 15:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::Do I have to remind everyone that Serbii.net is edited by limited amount of people? We cannot guarantee it's correct, sure it has a lot of correct information, but when you see something you know is wrong, you can't just fix it like you can do on this site. This is why I believe "when it airs" policy exists. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 15:51, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::wow u guys are soo serious like why would u wait a week if u know its "confirmed" until it airs?? what a f*cked up rule [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
::::Because the world will end if Bulbapedia is ever wrong. Do you want the world to end, no, then wait till it airs. --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]]
:::::Seriously, it's only a week away. Is waiting really that hard? You should see some misleading trailers if you haven't already. If preview and a fansite is all the proof you have, then it can't be confirmed, since fansites can be wrong and previews can be misleading. Just wait a one week, patience is important, especially in this case. It's not like you have to wait a month. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 17:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Exactly, I couldnt have put it better TBM, I think we should get a mod to protect the page till next week. --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]]
:::::::Confirmation isn't the issue here.  Newtype's summaries are reliable.  We have the rule because sometimes it is more vague and Turtwig is still a Turtwig at the end of the latest episode.
:::::::But information on Serebii's front page is usually right.  The issue there is that it's a secondary source - he has the info because he got it from the same place as us. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 20:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We knew about Gliscor and Swinub long before they evolved and were captured, you know. We knew Aipom would be evolving in DP060 at the end of DP059. We aren't moving it because the lists are always '''''AS OF THE <u>MOST RECENT</u> JAPANESE EPISODE'''''. The most recent episode was [[DP099]]. Turtwig didn't evolve in that one, ergo, it's Ash's Turtwig. Don't even think of changing it, Ritchie. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
TTE and Fabu, are you agreeing with me and TBM or with Ritchie, we say it shouldnt be on there yet, he says it should. --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]]
:"Because the world will end if Bulbapedia is ever wrong. Do you want the world to end, no, then wait till it airs."- then why is there such a thing called previews. it was there for a reason. seeing that will give us the urge to watch it and it also  about wraps up what will happen on that episode. clearly the episode preview for the turwig,grotle,torterra episode was on serebii and i dont know why u wouldnt agree. can you give me a reason BESIDES that bulbapedia has to wait ill it airs..can u??? [[User:Ritchie|Ritchie]]
*Well, If you want another reason, I'll give you a reason. Sometime ago, way before [[DP034|Buizel your way out of this]] Aired in Japan, they had a preview showing Ash and Pikachu battling it for almost the entire preview, whileas Dawn and Piplup were seen battling Buizel in only one frame, thus implying at that time that Ash was the one capturing it. So, that's one reason why we have that rule. Actually, now that I think about it, that preview [or rather, Buizel itself] IS the reason why we even have that rule. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:31, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::They are on your side.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small>☆</small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 23:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Ritchie, I already gave you my reasons, and they are not just about policy. Would you mind telling me why you don't agree with that? Really, I'd love to know since it's so important to you that it stays on this page. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 01:05, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
== Name? ==
Do you think it's possible that the English name 'Ash' could have also come from the word 'rash'? Anabel, when translating for Pikachu, did say that sometimes he can act rash, and wasn't it also mentioned in the Pokélantis episode? [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 22:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ash is short for Ashley --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]]
[[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]]
::"Ashley" isn't a reason for the name, unless you think it was chosen with [[EP026]] in mind.  His rash attitude is definately an interesting possibility but the examples where it is explicitly mentioned are far later. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 14:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Im not trying to argue with you, but Ash is a shortened version for Ashley. --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]]
::::Yes it is.  But that fact alone isn't the reason 4Kids chose Ash. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 19:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree with FabuVinny. And also, GuardianOfEarth, if Ash IS short for Ashley, then why would they pick that name? Is there some kind of reasoning behind that? [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 19:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::I dont know how reliable the source was but I seem to remember it being s'''A'''to'''SH'''i which when the capital letters are rearranged spells Ash. --[[User:Guardian|<font color="#0000FF">Guardian</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian|<font color="#FFFF00"> of</font>]][[User talk:Guardian|<font color="#FF0000"> Earth</font>]] |[[GSDS|<font color="#00FF00">SGMS 2010</font>]]
:::::::Er, Guardian? That source is Bulbapedia. This page, in fact. It says that on the bottom. [[User:Ayla|Ayla]] 22:12, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
:You guys should take it to the forums...to {{u|Ayla}}, that may not be true, as he may have got it from somewhere else, but realized it was posted later on here. [[User:Ht14|<span style="color:#D5AA00"><sup>''ht''</sup></span>]][[User talk:Ht14|<span style="color:#C0C0C0"><small>''14''</small></span>]] 22:14, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
::I think the idea is to add it to the article.  The rash thing isn't anything more than trivia, though. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 19:27, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Ash is also short for Ashton... --[[User:Force Fire|<font color="#F08030">Force</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="705898"><small>''Fire''</small></font>]]</sup> 07:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
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