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==Move==
The current title is incorrect, as an artifact is, {{wp|Artifact|from Wikipedia}}: ''"something made or given shape by man, such as a tool or a work of art, esp an object of archaeological interest"''.

With the exception of the GS Ball, the Bells, and possibly the Orbs, a lot of these items are made by Pokémon, not people, and the GS Ball would never be considered an artifact. <small><small>[[User:Vuvuzela2010|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''Vuvuzela2010''']]</span></small></small>[[Pikachu (Pokémon)|<span style="color:black; background-color:yellow">'''⚡''']]</span> 20:17, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
:Following that definition, you are correct; however, there is not just one definition of artifact. The fundamental problem with that definition is that Pokémon are sentient too, so the definition usually applied in a non-fiction environment does not apply in a fictional universe such as this. [[wiktionary:artifact|The fifth definition]] is relevant here. I was originally going to go with "legendary items" for the title of this page, but someone suggested this title instead. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

== The Blue Orbs control Groudon and Red Orb controls Kyogre? ==

Shouldn't we note that, in the games, when Maxie uses the Blue Orb on Groudon, it went on a rampage, as well as Kyogre when Archie uses the red Orb, thus, revealing that they both used the wrong Orbs in order to control Groudon and Kyogre and that in the anime they STILL used the wrong orbs but are still able to control them? {{unsigned|MrAkmalDanish}}
:I'm pretty sure that they did their homework and thus picked the right orb for the job. But as outlined in the Pokédex, Groudon and Kyogre will fight to the death if they ever meet. Also in the manga, the power of the orbs was shown to backlash into the holder if they weren't strong enough to handle them. This was also shown in the anime as well. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 12:46, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
:I should have put this in my first post but.... If in the event the power of the orb backlashes into you, Kyogre/Groudon can control you instead of you controling them. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 12:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

==Split==
I support the idea of splitting the Colored Orbs, Timespace Orbs, and Dragon Stones into separate articles. —'''[[User:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:darkred">Team Magma</span>]] [[User talk:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:darkred">Zangoose ⚡</span>]]'''  02:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
:Personally, if we got enough info on them, I wouldn't mind, but I'd like that we still keep info on this page as well and link to the main articles. <sup>[[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup>[[User:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">Jo the Marten</span>]]<sup>[[Flygon (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#C00;">★</span>]]</sup> [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|<span style="color:#C00;">ಠ_ಠ</span>]][[Cilan (anime)|<span style="color:#90C870;">♥</span>]] 01:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'd like to keep info on this page too. The "In the anime" sections would not remain here, but the pseudo-infoboxes would. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 07:35, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I agree with that plan. —<small>'''[[User:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:#444444">Team Magma</span>]] [[User talk:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:#A00000">Zangoose ⚡</span>]]'''</small> 04:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Ehhhhhhh,I support that plan of making new articles and link this to them.-[[User:Littleroot  leader shravan(ability leader)|Shravs]] [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(New Bark Gym)]] 11:00, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
:This page at least needs a redesign at the very least perhaps a move, but meh...... [[User:Volcronaperson|<span style="color:#000000; background:#000000">_</span><span style="color:#ff0000; background:#000000">Volcronaperson</span><span style="color:#000000; background:#000000">_</span>]] 20:49, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
::I support that split. I don't know if there should be articles for the wings/bells and the Lati@s items too, though . . . <span style="font-family:Georgia">--[[User:Darth Zekrom|<span style="color:#000000">'''Darth'''</span>]] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|<span style="color:#00BFFF">'''Zekrom'''</span>]]</span> 20:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
:::Seems everyone supports the split, but since I didn't want to be controversial, I created a page for the [[Dragon Stones]] it in the userspace. Feel free to improve/move. '''[[User:Memo326|<span style="color:#151B8D;">Memo</span>]]'''<i>[[User talk:Memo326|<sup><span style="color:#8D38C9;">326</span></sup>]]</i> 02:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
::::That's great work. The main reason splits and stuff like this don't get done is because nobody ever gets around to actually doing it. Your page has been mainspaced. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:28, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
:::::Seeing as the Dragon Stones page was made, I created a [[Colored orbs|page for the colored orbs]] in my userspace and formatted it off of the Dragon Stones page. I wasn't sure if I should make it in the mainspace, so I was just being safe. Anyone is free to edit it if they like. —<small>'''[[User:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:#444444">Team Magma</span>]] [[User talk:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:#A00000">Zangoose ⚡</span>]]'''</small> 03:52, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
::::::...I'd like to mainspace the page I made, but I feel like I need permission. —<small>'''[[User:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:#444444">Team Magma</span>]] [[User talk:Team Magma Zangoose|<span style="color:#A00000">Zangoose ⚡</span>]]'''</small> 03:40, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
:How on Earth are the orbs and the Dragon Stones more notable than Ho-oh and Lugia's wing items? - [[User:Ericss|Ericss]] ([[User talk:Ericss|talk]]) 01:42, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
::I agree. I personally do not think the items featured on this page have enough information to warrant their own articles. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 03:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

== BW ==

Entries for items such as the Wings and the Bells, which are used in generations prior to generation V have descriptions for Black and White, even though they don't appear on the Key Item list for those games. This is especially puzzling for the Wings, as they don't have entries for any of the generation III games. Which list needs fixing? --[[Gallade|<span style="color:#00A000;">'''エ'''</span>]][[User:Galladeon|<span style="color:#0000A0;">'''ルレ'''</span>]][[User talk:Galladeon|<span style="color:#B69E00;">'''イ'''</span><span style="color:#93abc3;">'''ド'''</span>]] 05:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
:Despite not being used and being unobtainable, all Generation IV key items appear in the game data for the Generation V games. Some of them even have new bag descriptions (and even weirder, the [[Lost Item]] has a new sprite). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:43, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
:: So they need to be added to the List of Key Items in Generation V then. --[[Gallade|<span style="color:#00A000;">'''エ'''</span>]][[User:Galladeon|<span style="color:#0000A0;">'''ルレ'''</span>]][[User talk:Galladeon|<span style="color:#B69E00;">'''イ'''</span><span style="color:#93abc3;">'''ド'''</span>]] 02:47, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I think it was decided to only put obtainable items on those lists. That's why the S.S. Ticket only appears under HGSS on [[List of key items in Generation IV]] rather than under "all Gen IV games", despite it being in the data of DPPt. Those items tend to go to [[List of dummied out items]], but these aren't dummied out. I guess another section could be added to the page for unobtainable key items (which I think would be a good idea). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 12:14, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

== Colored Orbs ==

[[Colored orbs|This page for the colored orbs]] has been rotting in the userspace for ''a whole year'' now; can we come to a decision as to whether it should be mainspaced or not? [[Special:Contributions/GamerGeek|<span style="color:aqua">☆</span>]][[User:GamerGeek|<span style="color:teal">Gamer</span>]][[User talk:GamerGeek|<span style="color:gold">Geek</span>]][[Steelix (Pokémon)|<span style="color:orange">☆</span>]] 15:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

== Some questions ==

I am a little bit curious:

- In the article, it is said that: "These artifacts are capable of summoning or contain these Pokémon." But what about some items in the article like Soul Dew and Griseous Orb? Are they "capable of summoning or contain" some Pokémon (i.e. Lati@s, Giratina,...)? If they aren't, and still be the "Legendary artifacts," could we add some more items (i.e. [[Lunar Wing]], [[Magma Stone]], [[Reveal Glass]] (it can summon the Forces of Nature in the anime), and many more)?

- The translated Japanese names of some items here ([[Clear Bell]], [[Soul Dew]], [[Enigma Stone]], [[Azure Flute]],...) are different from they are in their main articles. Can someone fix in order for them to be the same?

Thank you. --[[User:Yen01|Yen01]] ([[User talk:Yen01|talk]]) 16:10, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

== PMD artifacts ==

Here are the [http://i.imgur.com/sOHMrRG.png Japanese names]. [[User:Eridanus|Eridanus]] ([[User talk:Eridanus|talk]]) 11:53, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

== Reveal Glass? ==

Just wondering, shouldn't the [[Reveal Glass]] be listed as a legendary artifact, since it IS an item with a strong connection on a group of Legendary Pokémon. I was honestly pretty surprised to not see it here. --[[User:FinnishPokéFan92|FinnishPokéFan92]] ([[User talk:FinnishPokéFan92|talk]]) 16:35, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

:Yeah, it should be in, I've added it in now. [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:OdieboyDuck I'm a duck. That's pretty much it. -OdieboyDuck] 16:53, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

== Deletion ==

I originally created this page because I wanted to separate out items associated with Legendary Pokémon. Since then, many of the items have been split out from this page into their own subgroups ([[Colored orbs]], [[Dragon Stones]], etc.), rendering this page unnecessary (which is what probably should have been done in the first place). Now that the items themselves have individual pages, this article is even more redundant, capturing information already captured elsewhere twice. This page is now entirely superseded by [[:Category:Legendary artifacts]].

However, in order to preserve the history of this article, I propose that we technically move this page to [[:Category:Legendary artifacts]], but ultimately remove all of its content to just be a standard category page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 15:59, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:I'm fine with that as long as the content is preserved. --[[User:Celadonkey|<span style="color:#00A1E9">cela</span><span style="color:#BF004F">donk</span>]] ([[User talk:Celadonkey|talk]]) 16:05, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
::Not sure if independently, but I [[User talk:SnorlaxMonster#A bunch of things|made the exact same suggestion]]. [[User:Nescientist|Nescientist]] ([[User talk:Nescientist|talk]]) 08:29, 20 July 2019 (UTC)